Martha Careful
a year ago
Translation....OUR LINE STINKS!!!! WE CAN'T RUN THE BALL AND ARE CONSTANTLY IN 3RD AND LONG
Wisconsin sport Journal wrote

Green Bay Packers: Matt LaFleur Explains Why The Offense Isn’t Implementing Their Game Plan
Jordan SiglerBy Jordan Sigler October 29, 2023

Green Bay Packers head coach Matt LaFleur offered an explanation as to why his offense looks so out of sync this season. The Packers offense put up another stinker in a 24-10 Week 8 loss to the Minnesota Vikings Sunday.

The Packers offense looked great against the Chicago Bears in Week 1. But they’ve come down to earth since. The Packers have not scored 20 points since their Week 5 loss to the Detroit Lions. This is now the fourth game in seven tries the Packers have not scored 20 points this season.

The Packers had two chances to score touchdowns in the red zone against the Vikings in the fourth quarter. But they failed to convert, and it’s the reason the Packers are now 2-5 at the trade deadline.

LaFleur discussed the offensive challenges the Packers are dealing with in his press conference following Sunday’s loss. According to Zach Jacobson with Heavy, LaFleur said the Packers have been unable to use their game plan because they’ve been in bad situations on third down:

“You don’t even get into what you work on all week and what you plan for, you can’t even get into your normal rhythm,” he says…

“That’s what’s disappointing. You put all this time and effort into something, you come up with a plan and you don’t even give yourself a chance to execute it.”

The Packers need to get the run game going to create short distances on third down. The Packers averaged 4.3 yards per rush against the Vikings on Sunday. However, they weren’t consistently generating enough positive plays on the ground, and much of that was on the offensive line.

Penalties from their linemen killed the offense as well. The Packers were supposed to lean on their offensive line this season. Right now, they’re a significant reason why LaFleur isn’t getting into his game plan this season.


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Zero2Cool
a year ago
OL stinks so why not have shorter passing routes and rely on running game more? Pass plays take too long to develop. And QB waits for them to be open rather than throwing them open.

It's all correctable.
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Martha Careful
a year ago

OL stinks so why not have shorter passing routes and rely on running game more? ..,

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Because they are horrible at run blocking!!! they don’t stick to their blocks and they don’t move anybody off the ball or consistently create any holes.

That’s the point. If you can’t run the ball, you can’t set up play action, or any of the things the Packers offense is predicated upon.

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Zero2Cool
a year ago

Because they are horrible at run blocking!!! they don’t stick to their blocks and they don’t move anybody off the ball or consistently create any holes.

That’s the point. If you can’t run the ball, you can’t set up play action, or any of the things the Packers offense is predicated upon.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


They can utilize screens, quick passes, etc. There are options. Packers aren't the first team to have bad OL. They can change things. They can go with what the talent strengths are. Saying they stink is worthless. Figure it out. It's correctable. It's football, not rocket science. QB had time to throw. Routes are taking to long to develop. Read what I said. I'm not typing it again.
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umair_010
a year ago

They can utilize screens, quick passes, etc. There are options. Packers aren't the first team to have bad OL. They can change things. They can go with what the talent strengths are. Saying they stink is worthless. Figure it out. It's correctable. It's football, not rocket science. QB had time to throw. Routes are taking to long to develop. Read what I said. I'm not typing it again.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I think you drank too much 2024 kool-aid.
Martha Careful
a year ago
I am sure Beast will correct me here, but our offense, like SF, is based on a (wide) zone blocking scheme. Everything is set up off this scheme....play action, screens, and pass blocking.

You can't simply change schemes mid season, you need to get players who can effectively play within your system.

Clearly, we do not have the OLine that can excel or succeed in the system.

Moreover, we cannot pick up a 3rd & 1 or 4th and 1 to save our souls because we just don't have any road grader Olinemen.

This is on Gutey and the player personnel team.
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nerdmann
a year ago

I am sure Beast will correct me here, but our offense, like SF, is based on a (wide) zone blocking scheme. Everything is set up off this scheme....play action, screens, and pass blocking.

You can't simply change schemes mid season, you need to get players who can effectively play within your system.

Clearly, we do not have the OLine that can excel or succeed in the system.

Moreover, we cannot pick up a 3rd & 1 or 4th and 1 to save our souls because we just don't have any road grader Olinemen.

This is on Gutey and the player personnel team.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


Our guards have been hurt since the Detroit game.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Martha Careful
a year ago

Our guards have been hurt since the Detroit game.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

OK, forget about this year.

Can you give me an example or two of a 3rd or 4th and 1 that we picked up running the ball in a playoff game or significant regular in season game over the last 15 years? Seriously, we do not draft or acquire guys who can move guys out.

There is a mismatch in scheme and personnel.

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Zero2Cool
a year ago

I think you drank too much 2024 kool-aid.

Originally Posted by: umair_010 


Seriously? What does this even mean?

I lay out potential options I see other trams utilize and this is the garbage stated in response? Do we talk ball here anymore or just a cesspool of attempts to one up someone for a pathetic giggle?
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Zero2Cool
a year ago

I am sure Beast will correct me here, but our offense, like SF, is based on a (wide) zone blocking scheme. Everything is set up off this scheme....play action, screens, and pass blocking.

You can't simply change schemes mid season, you need to get players who can effectively play within your system.

Clearly, we do not have the OLine that can excel or succeed in the system.

Moreover, we cannot pick up a 3rd & 1 or 4th and 1 to save our souls because we just don't have any road grader Olinemen.

This is on Gutey and the player personnel team.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


The more I hear the more it seems scheme is miminal. It's like defense 3-4 base but teams rarely use base relatively to sub packages. Offenses aren't much different. And clearly what they're doing isn't working so why not try something different? I'm not being insane here by saying out our LG coming off ACL to RT. I'm not saying out a stud permiter CB inside. Im saying instead of whatever blocking scheme they've trotted out there, maybe try a scheme where you just get in the defenders way rather than just watch the guy walk around ya.

I'm just asking for some effort rather than the same ramble ramble every week with the same failures over and over again. If you got a headache, stop hitting your head against the wall.

I'm not saying go from West Coast offense to Run n Gun from top to bottom. I'm saying find something SIMPLE that the guys can execute and build off it.

Something. Anything. Teams change/modify schemes all the time. Hell, 2010 Packers defense did half way through the season!! It can be done. It has been done.
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