Greg C.
16 years ago

To me Raji seems to be better suited for DE if the choice is between him and Pickett. I think both can hold the point of attack at NT, but I would rather have Raji gap shooting as a DE than Pickett.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



Good call. Raji is faster than Pickett, and with more space to work in, he should be more effective than Pickett. It sure looks that way from his college highlight films, anyway.
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dhpackr
16 years ago


Base 3-4
Pickett, Raji, Jenkins
Matthews, Hawk, Barnett, Kampman
Woodson, Bigby, Collins, Harris

DL Rotation: NT: Pickett DE: Jolly, Harrell

Base 4-3

Kampman, Raji, Pickett, Jenkins
Matthews, Barnett, Hawk
Woodson, Bigby, Collins, Harris

Nickel

Kampman, Raji, Jenkins, Matthews
Barnett, Rouse
Woodson, Smith, Collins, Harris

"millertime" wrote:



I like the 4-3 better than the 3-4.
Why are the Packers switching to a 3-4 defense again??

seeing as Justin Harrell is a former 1st round pick, if he is healthy, i see no reason why he should not challenge for a starting de spot.

i think tramon williams may challenge for more playing time as will pat lee. tramon may challenge al harris by the second half of the season for a starting job. i just feel we need some more speed at the corner opposite of woodson.

I know everyone is excited about clay matthews, but I want to see if this kid can cover te's running up the seam, and rb's catching check down passes, because that is a glaring weakness on the packers defense.

last year, the packers had no pass rush, i look forward to seeing Harrell, Pickett, Raji, can pressure the QB.
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Zero2Cool
16 years ago
Good stuff ^^^

I think Harrell is a lost cause though.
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zombieslayer
16 years ago
Agreed about Harrell.

If he turns out, great. That would be equivalent to waking up in the morning, putting on your pants, and finding a $50 bill in there that you didn't know you had.
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packersfan101101
16 years ago
i dont think the switch will be gradual. Tell me if im wrong but didnt one of the coaches say they are going to be a "true" 3-4 next season?
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bozz_2006
16 years ago

Agreed about Harrell.

If he turns out, great. That would be equivalent to waking up in the morning, putting on your pants, and finding a $50 bill in there that you didn't know you had.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



One spring I stuck a $20 bill the pocket of my winter coat before I put it away for the year. That was a nice surprise in October.
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Dulak
16 years ago


I like the 4-3 better than the 3-4.
Why are the Packers switching to a 3-4 defense again??

seeing as Justin Harrell is a former 1st round pick, if he is healthy, i see no reason why he should not challenge for a starting de spot.

last year, the packers had no pass rush, i look forward to seeing Harrell, Pickett, Raji, can pressure the QB.

"dhpackr" wrote:



Main reasons -

- Stop the run; 3-4 D stops the run more effectively ... how does it do that? Well if the big 3 D guys stop it in the middle the OLBers can either penetrate or stop the run from the outside; thus effectively having 5 guys up front instead of 4.

- To confuse the offense <<< this is the main reason IMO. All last year with bob sanders defense; we hardly ever rushed the QB and when we did I could often tell when we were going to do this - and if I can see this from a casual observer I'm sure the opposing offenses could see this.

The 3-4 allows us to rush with 0 1 or both OLBers or even a ILB if so choosen (but theses guys usually stay back). Alot more options can be had with rushing the passer and this is usually done much more so in a 3-4 then a typical 4-3 (as I'm sure you could of seen last season we mainly rushed with only 4 guys and the offense knew this and so they usually blocked all 4 guys fairly well. Hence why we hardly ever got to the opposing QB and he could pick us apart).

- I assume that dom capers came here to install the 3-4; I dont think we decided to do the 3-4 and picked up capers cuz he could do it. (dont remember). But since we picked up DC and he has taught this defense successfully in a few different organizations ... now it's our turn.

- Kevin Greene said the 3-4 OLBers have the most important roll of them all; besides a solid NT. But the OLBers are required to do the most work but also have the most fun.

So this is why we are going to a 3-4

#1 Better run stoppage
#2 Confuse opposing offenses
#3 Better ability to rush the QB

From what I read we are slightly more vulnerable in the middle with short passes (having only 2 mid linebackers as opposed to 3). Hence why having our OLBers to be able to cover is ideal.
dhpackr
16 years ago


I like the 4-3 better than the 3-4.
Why are the Packers switching to a 3-4 defense again??

seeing as Justin Harrell is a former 1st round pick, if he is healthy, i see no reason why he should not challenge for a starting de spot.

last year, the packers had no pass rush, i look forward to seeing Harrell, Pickett, Raji, can pressure the QB.

"Dulak" wrote:



Main reasons -

- Stop the run; 3-4 D stops the run more effectively ... how does it do that? Well if the big 3 D guys stop it in the middle the OLBers can either penetrate or stop the run from the outside; thus effectively having 5 guys up front instead of 4.

- To confuse the offense <<< this is the main reason IMO. All last year with bob sanders defense; we hardly ever rushed the QB and when we did I could often tell when we were going to do this - and if I can see this from a casual observer I'm sure the opposing offenses could see this.

The 3-4 allows us to rush with 0 1 or both OLBers or even a ILB if so choosen (but theses guys usually stay back). Alot more options can be had with rushing the passer and this is usually done much more so in a 3-4 then a typical 4-3 (as I'm sure you could of seen last season we mainly rushed with only 4 guys and the offense knew this and so they usually blocked all 4 guys fairly well. Hence why we hardly ever got to the opposing QB and he could pick us apart).

- I assume that dom capers came here to install the 3-4; I dont think we decided to do the 3-4 and picked up capers cuz he could do it. (dont remember). But since we picked up DC and he has taught this defense successfully in a few different organizations ... now it's our turn.

- Kevin Greene said the 3-4 OLBers have the most important roll of them all; besides a solid NT. But the OLBers are required to do the most work but also have the most fun.

So this is why we are going to a 3-4

#1 Better run stoppage
#2 Confuse opposing offenses
#3 Better ability to rush the QB

From what I read we are slightly more vulnerable in the middle with short passes (having only 2 mid linebackers as opposed to 3). Hence why having our OLBers to be able to cover is ideal.

"dhpackr" wrote:



great post, really good. I hope matthews (who i figure Ted Thompson drafted for olb) is a guy that can cover te and rb because i feel pretty confident if it falls into kampmans lap, opposing teams will exploit him on a regular basis.
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warhawk
16 years ago
What is great about our two #1 round picks is that both can play in either the 3-4 or the 4-3 (and we will play both) and they both can stay in the game on third down.

For those that really didn't want to see Raji what we get is a guy that will stop up the middle on early run downs and can shift over and penetrate from DT on passing downs when we put four hands down.

What we get from Mathews is not only a pass rusher but a guy that can cover so he can stay in the game and be effective.

What some people here are missing is that while we could have traded back gotten more picks and settled with a Ron Brace and Sintim is that these guys are situational players and the opposing team will not always cooperate and call a play the situation might warrant.

You can try to platoon players to their strengths but then it becomes much more of a chess game then in if you have players that can do the job regardless of what the opposing team calls.

Having guys with the talent to be able to adjust with the play call and be effective and can be in there all three downs makes us much more dangerous. The offense won't know what we will do whereas you put situational players in, i.e. Sintim, they pretty much know he's there to rush the QB or a Brace who they know probably won't create much penetration if they pass.

This is the difference between cornerstone type players that makes what you do effective vs. platoon and depth players that play a smaller roll in the success you hope to achieve.

It was much more critical, IMO, that we target cornerstone players for this 3-4 that we will be moving towards and fill in the balance of guys that will contribute from there.
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zombieslayer
16 years ago



Main reasons -

- Stop the run; 3-4 D stops the run more effectively ... how does it do that? Well if the big 3 D guys stop it in the middle the OLBers can either penetrate or stop the run from the outside; thus effectively having 5 guys up front instead of 4.

- To confuse the offense <<< this is the main reason IMO. All last year with bob sanders defense; we hardly ever rushed the QB and when we did I could often tell when we were going to do this - and if I can see this from a casual observer I'm sure the opposing offenses could see this.

The 3-4 allows us to rush with 0 1 or both OLBers or even a ILB if so choosen (but theses guys usually stay back). Alot more options can be had with rushing the passer and this is usually done much more so in a 3-4 then a typical 4-3 (as I'm sure you could of seen last season we mainly rushed with only 4 guys and the offense knew this and so they usually blocked all 4 guys fairly well. Hence why we hardly ever got to the opposing QB and he could pick us apart).

- I assume that dom capers came here to install the 3-4; I dont think we decided to do the 3-4 and picked up capers cuz he could do it. (dont remember). But since we picked up DC and he has taught this defense successfully in a few different organizations ... now it's our turn.

- Kevin Greene said the 3-4 OLBers have the most important roll of them all; besides a solid NT. But the OLBers are required to do the most work but also have the most fun.

So this is why we are going to a 3-4

#1 Better run stoppage
#2 Confuse opposing offenses
#3 Better ability to rush the QB

From what I read we are slightly more vulnerable in the middle with short passes (having only 2 mid linebackers as opposed to 3). Hence why having our OLBers to be able to cover is ideal.

"Dulak" wrote:



Excellent summary.

If you look at our D's main weaknesses, they are:
1) Stopping the run,
2) Pressuring the QB

Looks like a properly run 3-4 fixes these problems.

Oh, and I forgot our Defensive Coaches failed to make adjustments. They're mostly gone now and replaced with people who know what they're doing. :thumbright:
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