What each team is still missing, potential solutions· Page 2

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

Really isn't that confusing lol.

The Packers signed Lazard(He signed it) to a 2nd round tender. He will play for the Packers for the 2022 season for 3.9 mill unless the Packers sign him to extension before the season.

He is though still a RFA and another team can offer him a contract but the Packers can match any offer or receive a 2nd round pick if it gets to that which it won't.

Got it? Kidding😋

Originally Posted by: PackerNation

Why isn't it listed as a transaction? Other players who signed have been listed, but you are saying Allen Lazard signed, yet, everything on the transaction wires show ... not yet signed.

This is why it is confusing. You can see other players listed as signed, but not Allen Lazard.
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Another set of transactions doesn't list that he signed it.
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Last season he waited until July 22 to sign.
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CBS seems updated quite a bit, they got Jaire, but not Allen Lazard. 🤷‍♂️
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This is confusing that you're pounding hard that he signed it, yet every source that lists transactions shows no such transaction been made. Quite confusing.

Spotract shows when the contract was assigned, but transaction of it being signed, no where to be found.
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PackersNation
Registered

2 years ago

#12

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

The Packers signed him to the tender in March. For that to happen Allen and the team both sign it. So when you heard in March that the Packers signed Allen Lazard to a 2nd round tender for 3.9 million that is what happened. Both parties signed it.

Florio started all this writing a article a while ago trying to start drama by saying the Packers shouldn't list Allen Lazard as one of their WRs. Florio is agenda based little shit stirrer that gets people to his gossip site by making crap up about the Packers and whoever else he thinks will put butts in the seats.

Nothing Mike Florio writes about the Packers is based in anything but trying to start up bullshit about the Packers so the fan base bites.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

#13

Originally Posted by: PackerNation

I didn't hear that in March. I heard that the Packers assigned a 2nd round tender. Everything I've read says Allen Lazard has yet to sign the tender. I wish I could remember where I read or where I heard that the tender automatically gets lowered if Allen doesn't sign it by a certain date.

beast
Select Member

2 years ago

#14

Originally Posted by: PackerNation

Nope, if an RFA sign, the they're no longer a FA, and other teams can no longer give him offers.

If he's signed with the team that gave the tender, then it's over, he's a signed played.

beast
Select Member

2 years ago

#15

When Lazard signs the contract, the Packers will move him from the RFA list to the main roster list...

Just like they have done for other FAs that resigned and the draft picks that have signed.

According to Packers.com, Lazard is not currently signed. They should know better than any of us.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

#16

This might be something to smack into a new topic, but here's what I'm reading about RFA.

Restricted free agent (RFA): A player with three accrued seasons and an expired contract. RFAs are free to negotiate and sign with any team, but their original team can offer them one of various qualifying offers ("tenders") that come with the right of first refusal and/or draft-pick compensation. If the tender is withdrawn by a team, the RFA becomes an unrestricted free agent. In 2021, teams must submit these tenders before 4 p.m. ET on March 17. These amounts change annually; the following numbers are for the 2021 season. Players can choose either (a) or (b) regardless of which is greater in the applicable tenders below.

Second-round tender: One-year contract worth the greater of (a) $3.384 million or (b) 110 percent of the player's prior-year base salary. Draft-choice compensation: second-round pick.

Adding this from Si.com makes me wonder if since he didn't negotiate a deal with another team by April 22nd, that he doesn't have to actually sign the tender, but for all intents and purposes ... is re-signed? The first part highlighted supports my thinking that once the tender is offered, it immediately is applied against the salary cap. Which can confuse some as he signed it.
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PackersNation
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2 years ago

#17

Waiting for a text back from Jon-Eric Sullivan, but my understanding is that both parties sign the 3.9 mill tender when it's applied.

I believe other teams can offer him a contract only until July 22nd. I am not sure when he is officially no longer considered a RFA. Jon-Eric is the one that would know better than us.

I do know for a fact the Packers have exclusive rights to match any offer that comes in. And also get a 2nd round pick if another team signs Allen.

The July 22nd and when he is officially no longer considered a RFA are the only two variables here.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

#18

Originally Posted by: PackerNation

Based on what Bill Huber wrote, it's April 22nd, but if true, why hasn't Lazard actually signed it? It sounds like there's no other real recourse, regardless of what I read/heard about the amount being lowered by a certain date. (since I can't recall where the hell I got that from, ugh).

PackersNation
Registered

2 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

The July 22nd is the day before training camp starts. I believe you can not be a RFA once camp starts.

Sometimes he doesn't text me back for a couple days. He claims I am the one who never replies to texts. He is factual on that. I also understand he is quite busy.

bboystyle
Member

2 years ago

#20

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Because he hasnt. Packernation is wrong but is moving goalposts to protect his all knowing demeanor.

With that said, WR is still a question mark on this team until proven otherwise. Dont care what our record was with Adams out, no one on this team is as consistent at the WR position as Adams was. We dont even know if Tonyan will be 100% back to how he was. Cobb is old and often hurt as is Watkins. Lazard is another jag who took advantage of Adams being doubled. This team is entering the 2022 season hoping a rookie can contribute alongside a bunch of old injured players.

I said it before and ill say it again, we really need the run game to be effficent this season or this offense will be 2019 all over again

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Zero2Cool (18h) : sounds like Packers don't get good compensation, Jaire staying

dfosterf (22h) : Nobody coming up with a keep, but at x amount

dfosterf (22h) : Trade, cut or keep

dfosterf (23h) : that from Jaire

dfosterf (23h) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'

Zero2Cool (23h) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"

dfosterf (23h) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it

Zero2Cool (23h) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.

dfosterf (23h) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent

dfosterf (23h) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility

dfosterf (23h) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission

dfosterf (23h) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers

Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : That someone ... likely the agent.

Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.

Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.

Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.

dfosterf (16-Apr) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"

dfosterf (16-Apr) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that

dfosterf (16-Apr) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?

Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent

Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Jalen Ramsey wants to be traded. He's never happy is he?

Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : two 1sts in 2022 and two 2nd's in 2023 and 2024

Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers had fortunate last three drafts.

dfosterf (15-Apr) : I may have to move

dfosterf (15-Apr) : My wife just told the ancient Japanese sushi dude not enough rice under his fish

Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I think a dozen is what I need

dfosterf (14-Apr) : Go fund me for this purpose just might work. A dozen nurses show up at 1265 to provide mental health assistance.

dfosterf (14-Apr) : Maybe send a crew of Angels to the Packers draft room on draft day.

Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I am the Angel that gets visited.

dfosterf (14-Apr) : Visiting Angels has a pretty good reputation

Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : what

Martha Careful (14-Apr) : WINNING IT, not someone else losing it. The best victory though was re-uniting with his wife

Martha Careful (14-Apr) : The manner in which he won it was just amazing and wonderful. First blowing the lead then getting back, then blowing it. But ultimately

Zero2Cool (12-Apr) : I'm guessing since the thumb was broken, he wasn't feeling it.

dfosterf (10-Apr) : Looking for guidance. Not feeling the thumb.

Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : If they knew about it or not

Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : I don't recall that he did which is why I asked.

Zero2Cool (10-Apr) : Guessing they probably knew. Did he have cast or something on?

Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : Did they know that at the time or was that something the realized afterwards?

Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Van Ness played most of season with broken thumb

wpr (9-Apr) : yay

Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Mark Murphy says Steelers likely to protect Packers game. Meaning, no Ireland

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Mucky Tundra (8-Apr) : *CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP*

Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : WR who said he'd break Xavier Worthy 40 time...and ran slower than you

Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Who?

Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Texas’ WR Isaiah Bond is scheduled to visit the Bills, Browns, Chiefs, Falcons, Packers and Titans starting next week.

Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Spotting ball isn't changing, only measuring distance is, Which wasn't the issue.

Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : The spotting of the ball IS the issue. Not the chain gang.

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