From what I understand, they've either signed or going to sign Heflin to a futures contract. Also, did you forget Slaton or not sure about him going forward? Do the two NTs you've mocked have the ability to play end?

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 

Burks would be intriguing. I am not certain he will still be around at 28. According to Walter he's top 10. Let's pretend he isn't. More than likely he will be off the board by 20 or 25.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

I like Jameson Williams WR, Alabama but should be gone as well. He would be right in the middle as far as size plus he has speed. He probably isn't a Lazard when it comes to blocking but we already have one of those.
Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State is said to be a good route runner (and speed) Tae has proven running a great route (with moves) is better than straight line speed.

Drake London WR, USC is someone I would be interested in checking out in the 2nd round. He broke his ankle a little over halfway through the season but he showed enough to at least concern him plus he's got that big WR mold.

Other options could be:
DeMarvin Leal, DT, Texas A&M. Pretty good pass rusher. Put him along side Clark and they will pressure the QB and disrupt the running game.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

I kind of like the idea of getting the TE we have need for years. Jalen Wydermyer, TE, Texas A&M. YOu have him in the second. That's fantastic. I again wonder if he will be there. I'd rather get a guy a round too soon than to miss out all together. I think Gute feels the same way which is why he took Dillion in the 2nd instead of letting him sit to the 3rd/4th like the "experts" said. Not having a 3rd probably forced Gute's hand. We will never know if he would have pulled the trigger or waited to the 3rd. Wydermyer, might be the best TE in the draft. If he is, I can't see him sitting there until #60.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

I think GB needs a little boost on the OL. Bak will be back to form (hopefully.) Myers at C. JRJ may play LG or it might be Jenkins. Jenkins can also move over to RT. Either way RG needs to be upgraded. Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama could be the RT if they get him in the 2nd round. Some have him going in the first. If not him then look at Christian Darrisaw OT, Virginia Tech.

Going back to the first round, Kwity Paye 3-4OLB/DE, Michigan might be a nice bookend for Gary. Former teammates and all. They will need someone to lineup opposite Gary if the Smith Brothers are gone.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

Alright, Heflin just signed today, I didn't see that, I was wondering why he didn't sign two days ago with most of the others.

Nope, I didn't forget Slaton, I just didn't list him because he's contract isn't up for another three years.... and yes he potentially could develop and help Clark, but I still want more help there. I've secretly been wanting one of the Georgia DTs, but that would take a top pick.

I assume you mean 3-4 DE, which is basically a DT. I don't think it would be their best spot, but yes they could play it. But Slaton might be the best option with his long arms and more athletic ability. Farrell's arms aren't as long, and while Peevy has long arms, he's not as athletic.

If I had known Heflin was resigned, I would of switched that selection to TE Jake Ferguson, Wisconsin or S/LB Brad Hawkins, Michigan.

Originally Posted by: beast 

You actually addressed why I asked if they could play some end in the 3-4: arm length and athletic ability. I still have nightmares of the Raji getting blown out in the running game and Pickett getting no pass rush when playing at 3-4 end. Both were more natural at NT but when both were on the field, it seemed like whichever one at the end spot was a liability in some way vs OTs. Of course, Raji mailing it in post 2010 didn't help either.

To me the tricky thing is what to do with Lowry? If he had played this season like the past few, he'd be an easy cut. But if you think he can keep it up going forward, do you extend him and kick his cap hit down the road?

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 

You actually addressed why I asked if they could play some end in the 3-4: arm length and athletic ability. I still have nightmares of the Raji getting blown out in the running game and Pickett getting no pass rush when playing at 3-4 end. Both were more natural at NT but when both were on the field, it seemed like whichever one at the end spot was a liability in some way vs OTs. Of course, Raji mailing it in post 2010 didn't help either.

To me the tricky thing is what to do with Lowry? If he had played this season like the past few, he'd be an easy cut. But if you think he can keep it up going forward, do you extend him and kick his cap hit down the road?

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 

I love Walter for a general list, of collecting factual information (like official numbers from the scouting combine) but I've general thought their rankings are quite bad and more based on hype than reality.

Now no system is perfect, but I used PFF mock draft machine for my mock to get generally where people will be falling.

And Burks compares quite favorably to Titans WR AJ Brown whom was the 4th WR selected in his draft (not surprising) but all the way at #51 overall (surprisingly). And PFF has Burks as their 6th WR, so while maybe not likely, I do think it's possible Burks falls to the 2nd round... unless he surprises the combine with a sub 4.44 or something. There is some hype that he can run the 40 yard in the 4.2#s... but I think that's BS hype.


For DL high, I really like the idea of DT Devonte Wyatt, Georgia... he's the best get off and finally starting to put together the pass rush moves.

A WR I really like, is WR Wan'Dale Robinson, Kentucky... now he's small, so I don't think Gute would nessarily like him, but he's like a more explosive Cobb. Where if Thompson was running that draft still, I'd have him in all my mocks, that's Thompson type of WR, great routes and hands.

A large WR that Gute might like more might be David Bell, Purdue, he's larger and has broken a lot of tackles as they have gotten the ball in his hands a ton of creative ways. Maybe less athletic than one prefer but that's why he's probably going to be picked day 2.

This is why I like using a mock draft big board where someone has everyone ranked, and just pick based on what they got ranked.

But honestly, I selected Wydermyer because my favorite TE was already selected. While Wydermyer has the most physical upside, he has a lot more developing to do to maximum it.

I would actually prefer TE Trey McBride, COLORADO STATE, who was already a mega playmaker in the wide zone system, running routes and concepts just like the wife zone system in the NFL will ask him to, and while he doesn't have as much upside as Wydermyer, he's a lot more developed and should be ready to go sooner especially if you're grading from a wide zone offense perspective.

And I agree, that normally TEs that go, don't drop that far in the draft, but this draft defensive is loaded, of they don't drop, maybe an even better pass rusher will.



Um, wrong year, you must of switched it to 2021...Leatherwood was drafted #17 overall to the Raiders, Darrisaw #23 to the Vikings, and Paye #21 to the Colts.

I'm just going to assume Jenkins is going to miss next year like Bak missed this year, and if he's healthy, then just be happily surprised.

But yes, OL could be improved, but we also have lots of younger guys growing there already.

LT Nijman
LG Runyan
OC Myers/Hanson
RG Newman
RT Braden/Van Lanen

And I would do think the Packers need a backup Center, because Jenkins is out and Patrick is a FA, Myers has been injured at times the last two seasons and I'm not sure what we got in Hanson.

But I think it's going to be tough for guys to beat out the current guys for depth, unless we use a high draft pick and we need those for other areas, I felt like trying to develop what we got might be best. Nijman, Runyan, Myers and Newman potential could be a hell lot better after their first years starting. Of course they might not be as well...

Originally Posted by: beast 

Why, WHY do people continue to have Packers drafting a WR in round one. Do they not pay attention? Do not they understand? And then all these mock drafts having Packers with WR in round one get folks thinking they failed by not doing so. Projecting the Packers to take a WR in round one speaks bogus expectations into existence. The Packers will NOT take a WR in round one unless it's a top five talent that dropped to them due to injury.

The Packers will most likely end up taking someone on the line (OL/DL) in round one. BOOK IT BABY!

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool