TheKanataThrilla
4 years ago

They will sign Jones to an affordable 3 year $24 mil with a $10 mil signing bonus.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I really don't see how the Pack don't slow roll this season to see how Dillon does. If Jones signs big the Comp Pick is what? A 3rd or 4th rounder? The cap adjustment next year scares me unless there is an agreed upon percentage salary decrease by the players' union to not totally handcuff teams.
beast
4 years ago

They will sign Jones to an affordable 3 year $24 mil with a $10 mil signing bonus.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

So Joe Mixon gets $12 million per season, and Aaron Jones' agent is going to suggest that Jones signs a $8 million per year deal, and the franchise tag is more...

Yeah, that's career suicide for the agent... allow your client to get less than 67% of what less talented players at his position are getting...

Same way Jadeveon Clowney and his agent Bus Cook turned down $15 million a year... then when they had to settle for $13 million with $2 million in incentives, reported they agreed Bus Cook as an agent first, so that his name wouldn't be on the deal (and maybe save Clowney some cash) even though they're reportedly still working together.

But hey, if you're right, then what a steal for the Packers! But $8 million per year is the mark Melvin Gordon got after a bad year and realizing they over setting his mark and your not as desired as you think. But unless Jones get injured or teams don't trust him to start healthy, or think he's too small, I don't see that happening. But it is possible, if the RB market truely drops out of the sky first, but then I see it as a one year prove it deal, and see the Franchise tag being applied (unless that's on Bak).
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4 years ago
Say what you want about them. I at least put down numbers. I am fully aware other RB got stupid contracts that they will only have for 1 or 2 years.
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beast
4 years ago

Say what you want about them. I at least put down numbers. I am fully aware other RB got stupid contracts that they will only have for 1 or 2 years.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Yes you did, you were brave enough to list your number. But is that your hopefully number? Or last line number?

And I don't have a good number, other than thinking the RBs agents got to be looking in the minimum of $12 million, up to $14 million per year ranges. Not saying they get it, but saying they're going to test FA if they don't get an offer that range (and maybe resign later). But I'm thinking some might be franchise tagged instead.

Name, Contract Years and Average amount per year

[list=1]
  • Christian McCaffrey
  • 2020-2025 (FA: 2026)
    $16,015,875
  • Ezekiel Elliott
  • 2019-2026 (FA: 2027)
    $15,000,000 $
  • Le'Veon Bell
  • Running Back |
    2019-2022 (FA: 2023)
    $13,125,000
  • David Johnson (Cardinals retreated contract, but Texans wanted to trade for it)
  • 2018-2021 (FA: 2022)
    $13,000,000
  • Derrick Henry
  • 2020-2023 (FA: 2024)
    $12,500,000
  • Joe Mixon
  • 2020-2024 (FA: 2025)
    $12,000,000
  • Kenyan Drake (franchised tagged)
  • 2020-2020 (FA: 2021)
    $8,483,000
  • Melvin Gordon (rumor he/agent turned down $10 per year thinking they'd get more in FA)
  • 2020-2021 (FA: 2022)
    $8,000,000
  • Saquon Barkley (#2 overall pick contract)
  • 2018-2021 (FA: 2023)
    $7,798,688
  • Kareem Hunt (off the field stuff)
  • 2020-2022 (FA: 2023)
    $6,625,000
  • Austin Ekeler (basically a career backup, whom looked good in an expanded role)
  • 2020-2023 (FA: 2024)
    $6,125,000
  • Todd Gurley (looked like a shell of his old self recently, dealing with knee issues)
  • 2020-2020 (FA: 2021)
    $5,500,000[/list]


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    yooperfan
    4 years ago
    Those 10 million to 16 million dollar contracts for a running back are nuts.
    I hope the Packers don't go down that road.
    They already have a millstone around their neck with Rodgers contract, they don't need another one.
    beast
    4 years ago
    Apparently RBs market is red hot, despite being able to franchise tag them for two years for cheaper and a number of RBs failing to live up to the last group of huge contracts.

    RBs Alvin Kamara and Dalvin Cook just signed new 5 year deals and I've updated the list below, based on Ian Rapoport's tweets on their new contracts.


    Name, Contract Years and Average amount per year

    [list=1]
  • Christian McCaffrey
  • 2020-2025 (FA: 2026)
    $16,015,875
  • Ezekiel Elliott
  • 2019-2026 (FA: 2027)
    $15,000,000
  • Alvin Kamara
  • 5 years / $75 million, but only $15 million guaranteed so easy to get out of the contract and they're about to go into cap hell, and the last time they did, they traded their star TE Jimmy Graham away.
    $15,000,000
  • Le'Veon Bell
  • Running Back |
    2019-2022 (FA: 2023)
    $13,125,000
  • David Johnson (Cardinals retreated contract, but Texans wanted to trade for it)
  • 2018-2021 (FA: 2022)
    $13,000,000
  • Dalvin Cook
  • 5 years / $63 million, with $28 million guaranteed
    $12,600,000
  • Derrick Henry
  • 2020-2023 (FA: 2024)
    $12,500,000
  • Joe Mixon
  • 2020-2024 (FA: 2025)
    $12,000,000
  • Kenyan Drake (franchised tagged)
  • 2020-2020 (FA: 2021)
    $8,483,000
  • Melvin Gordon (rumor he/agent turned down $10 per year thinking they'd get more in FA)
  • 2020-2021 (FA: 2022)
    $8,000,000
  • Saquon Barkley (#2 overall pick contract)
  • 2018-2021 (FA: 2023)
    $7,798,688
  • Kareem Hunt (off the field stuff)
  • 2020-2022 (FA: 2023)
    $6,625,000
  • Austin Ekeler (basically a career backup, whom looked good in an expanded role)
  • 2020-2023 (FA: 2024)
    $6,125,000
  • Todd Gurley (looked like a shell of his old self recently, dealing with knee issues)
  • 2020-2020 (FA: 2021)
    $5,500,000[/list]


    So I think the market is set, for Aaron Jones to get $13+ million per season..., though, you could simply franchise tag him for less. Of course, the Saints and Vikings have other players they might prefer to franchise tag, of course this is true for the Packers to, as long as Bak is in a contract year.

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    Zero2Cool
    4 years ago
    What would the franchise tag number be for a RB?
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    beast
    4 years ago

    What would the franchise tag number be for a RB?

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    I was basing my thought on what is quoted from PFT above about franchise tags, but I also just realized that number changed a bit with this new contract, as it's my understanding that Franchise tags are now the top 5 RBs salary percentage of the cap over the last five years (aka more research than I want to do), but Kamara's contact is in the top 5, so that could change the amount by about $100,000.

    What PFT said as I have it linked and quoted above.

    If the cap is flat next year, the running back franchise tag is expected to be in the range of $9.4 million. If the cap drops to the minimum of $175 million, it would be $8.3 million.




    Assuming PFT's math is right, then they're projecting the cost of tagging a RB twice to be about $18.5 to $22 million for two years. Or $11 million per year.

    Of course, is PFT's math right? It's hard to project that second year, as it partly depends on next year salary cap, which completely depends on this year's revenue.
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    Zero2Cool
    4 years ago
    I would franchise tag Aaron Jones and re-sign David B.

    I have spoken.
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    yooperfan
    4 years ago

    Apparently RBs market is red hot, despite being able to franchise tag them for two years for cheaper and a number of RBs failing to live oup to the last group of huge contracts.

    RBs Alvin Kamara and Dalvin Cook just signed new 5 year deals and I've updated the list below, based on Ian Rapoport's tweets on their new contracts.


    Name, Contract Years and Average amount per year

    [list=1]

  • Christian McCaffrey
  • 2020-2025 (FA: 2026)
    $16,015,875
  • Ezekiel Elliott
  • 2019-2026 (FA: 2027)
    $15,000,000
  • Alvin Kamara
  • 5 years / $75 million, but only $15 million guaranteed so easy to get out of the contract and they're about to go into cap hell, and the last time they did, they traded their star TE Jimmy Graham away.
    $15,000,000
  • Le'Veon Bell
  • Running Back |
    2019-2022 (FA: 2023)
    $13,125,000
  • David Johnson (Cardinals retreated contract, but Texans wanted to trade for it)
  • 2018-2021 (FA: 2022)
    $13,000,000
  • Dalvin Cook
  • 5 years / $63 million, with $28 million guaranteed
    $12,600,000
  • Derrick Henry
  • 2020-2023 (FA: 2024)
    $12,500,000
  • Joe Mixon
  • 2020-2024 (FA: 2025)
    $12,000,000
  • Kenyan Drake (franchised tagged)
  • 2020-2020 (FA: 2021)
    $8,483,000
  • Melvin Gordon (rumor he/agent turned down $10 per year thinking they'd get more in FA)
  • 2020-2021 (FA: 2022)
    $8,000,000
  • Saquon Barkley (#2 overall pick contract)
  • 2018-2021 (FA: 2023)
    $7,798,688
  • Kareem Hunt (off the field stuff)
  • 2020-2022 (FA: 2023)
    $6,625,000
  • Austin Ekeler (basically a career backup, whom looked good in an expanded role)
  • 2020-2023 (FA: 2024)
    $6,125,000
  • Todd Gurley (looked like a shell of his old self recently, dealing with knee issues)
  • 2020-2020 (FA: 2021)
    $5,500,000[/list]


    So I think the market is set, for Aaron Jones to get $13+ million per season..., though, you could simply franchise tag him for less. Of course, the Saints and Vikings have other players they might prefer to franchise tag, of course this is true for the Packers to, as long as Bak is in a contract year.

    Originally Posted by: beast 


    Thanks for the update.
    Those numbers make me want to puke!

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