Zero2Cool
4 years ago
Blake "Janitor" Martinez! What do you think about these comments in the tweets?

 image.png You have insufficient rights to see the content.
UserPostedImage
yooperfan
4 years ago
I believe him!
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
4 years ago
Doesn't matter to me. Gute & Co thought he was expendable. I'm ok with that.
UserPostedImage
Mucky Tundra
4 years ago
Sounds like Martinez is complaining that GB put him a bad position but that position was to follow up whatever the Smith Bros (and I would imagine Clark too) were doing, but what's there to complain about there? Also, did Martinez give a spin to explain the amount of zone coverage GB ran in pass situations? You know, in order to coverup the fact that he couldn't run with TEs or cover guys coming out of the backfield?
“Nah. I like having the island. It’s pretty cool...not too many visitors”
UserPostedImage
"I’ve got it." -Aaron Rodgers
beast
4 years ago

I believe him!

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 


Of course, because while it out Martinez in a worse position, it out the team in better position, so both could very well true.

To me, it sounds like the edge rushers got two way go basically, and Martinez was told to the gap they don't go.

Sounds like Martinez is complaining that GB put him a bad position but that position was to follow up whatever the Smith Bros (and I would imagine Clark too) were doing, but what's there to complain about there? Also, did Martinez give a spin to explain the amount of zone coverage GB ran in pass situations? You know, in order to coverup the fact that he couldn't run with TEs or cover guys coming out of the backfield?

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 


I'm still wanting a larger explanation for that, as they haven't played that much zone in a long long time. I don't think it was just for Martinez.

But maybe they didn't trust King one on one, and/or thought zone would make the QB hold it longer and more time for the pass rush to get there.

UserPostedImage
TheKanataThrilla
4 years ago
Well they put him in position to make a bunch of tackles which is what so many of the people who think he's great are quick to point out. Quite the conundrum …. is his tackles a good or bad thing?
beast
4 years ago

Well they put him in position to make a bunch of tackles which is what so many of the people who think he's great are quick to point out. Quite the conundrum …. is his tackles a good or bad thing?

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



In general tackles being a good or bad thing, normally depend on the situation

Example, 2 tackles for -2 yards each might be better than 6 tackles 8 yards down field each.

Also for people in coverage, sometimes people hype a DB for huge tackles numbers, but the first thing you have to ask is how was his coverage, because sometimes bad coverage leads to HUGE tackle numbers as you're giving up the catch and just tackling him after he gained 8+ yards, too many of those is not winning.

And cleaning up for other guys misses, blown mistakes etc, might not be your fault that they're so far down the field.


I remember one time, Packers gave up a VERY LONG touchdown where S Bigby was running behind the guy, and we all (including myself), started bad mouthing Bigby and how slow he was.

But among review of that play after the game, that wasn't Bigby's fault at all, Bigby was supposed to be on complete other side of the field, and Nick Collins completely blew the coverage.... I was more surprised that Bigby realized it IMMEDIATELY and really hustled his butt over there to get close... he just didn't have the pure speed to run the guy down, but great effort Bigby.

Point being, that would of been a huge play down the field and that would of been a great tackle by Bigby if he could have made it.
UserPostedImage
Cheesey
4 years ago
Well....no surprise that Martinez would spin things to make himself look better.
He obviously thought he was somehow slighted by the Packers.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
4 years ago

Well....no surprise that Martinez would spin things to make himself look better.
He obviously thought he was somehow slighted by the Packers.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I was kind of surprised. The guy just got paid, why talk like this? Why would anyone complain about cleaning up after Preston, Zadarius and Clark when the team witnessed success? I would think it shows you are a good team player more than anything. I didn't listen to the interview so maybe he wasn't complaining and was giving an answer as to why his numbers were down? Either way, I just didn't expect that from Blake.
UserPostedImage
beast
4 years ago

I was kind of surprised. The guy just got paid, why talk like this? Why would anyone complain about cleaning up after Preston, Zadarius and Clark when the team witnessed success? I would think it shows you are a good team player more than anything. I didn't listen to the interview so maybe he wasn't complaining and was giving an answer as to why his numbers were down? Either way, I just didn't expect that from Blake.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I agree! I haven't listened to this one either, but I generally find when I do get surprised and I do listen, normally it's just them actually answering the questions they were asked honestly in their opinion.

Also note, that in one of the articles, it almost sounded like it was fairly brief time talking about this, so I'm assuming very little of the conversation was this, just this is being blown up as being more interesting part to Packers fans.

Also note, (at least in my opinion) nothing he said was wrong...

He feels his value is more than the Packers offered (lots of employees feel that way about their employers, even in the NFL).

He doesn't feel the Packers value ILBers as much as other teams (I think I've said in the past, that I'm not sure the ILBer role in this defense is as valuable or as important as ILBers in other schemes, where as CB and DL are more important).

He was asked to let the edge rushers be the aggressive playmakers and clean up after them, which I don't think many will have a problem with that, it just sucks that he got less chances to actually be a playmaker himself, but you got to make decisions on scheme and he played his role.

This last part is the most interesting part, not because anything is wrong with it, but an insight into the scheme.

I'm not positive what it means, but I'm thinking it means the edge rushers would given options to do what they thought was best, and whatever they didn't do, Martinez was asked to do the opposite.

So if Z stayed on the outside, Martinez held the run gap on the inside, and if he crashed inside, Martinez had to get outside run gap.

Not bad to give your smart playmakers options, though if Martinez role is simply to react and get their fast, someone with more speed would be nice. But I would this that would also really help the Safeties that are trying to play LB as the ILBers had very little depth.


UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Martha Careful (3h) : Two terrific NCAA Football Semi-Final Games...We can only hope the Championship game is as good
Zero2Cool (23h) : Eagles WR DeVonta Smith will be a DNP in today’s practice. He’s dealing with back tightness. But the expectation is that he’ll play Sunday.
Zero2Cool (10-Jan) : Jalen Hurts has cleared the concussion protocol. He’s playing Sunday.
Zero2Cool (10-Jan) : 𝕏avier McKinney First Team All-Pro
Zero2Cool (10-Jan) : NFL moves Vikings-Rams playoff tilt to Arizona due to fires
Zero2Cool (10-Jan) : Rams lose home field advantage for Monday game.
Mucky Tundra (9-Jan) : Notre Lame=Notre Dame, Luckeyes=Ohio State, Pedo St=Penn St
Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : ... It clearly was not what we were supposed to be in, certainly."
Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : Hafley says 3rd and 11 call there was a miscommunication.
Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : The only team I know is Texas from that. Who are the other three?
Mucky Tundra (9-Jan) : Notre Lame vs Pedo St tonight and the Luckeyes vs Texas tomorrow
Mucky Tundra (9-Jan) : Stud
Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : E. Cooper. Rookie of Month. Defense.
Mucky Tundra (8-Jan) : @AaronNagler · 2m Both Jordan Love and Malik Willis were Limited participants at Packers practice today.
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Johnson didn't make it until 2020. Ring 2023. 🤷 Personally, he should have been in years prior to Hall.
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : HUMP DAY
beast (8-Jan) : Guys that have a good shot at making the NFL Hall of Fame usually get into their teams pretty fast
beast (8-Jan) : Yeah, but is Kampman and the others in the NFL Hall of Fame?
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Johnson was Hall of Fame, 2020. Should haev been in Ring a year later, not three years.
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : I could be wrong there though
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Guys like Kampman, Tim Harris, Al Harris, etc all over 15 years. Hall of Fame is 5 year wait
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : I guess I see players in Packers Hall come way later
beast (8-Jan) : Yeah, usually teams hall of fames are a much lower bar than the NFL
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : is it uncommon for Hall before Ring?
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : S Xavier McKinney named first-team All-Pro by NFLPA
beast (8-Jan) : I missed it, sorry, but he got into the NFL Hall of Fame years before that
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Jones took his sweet ole time!
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Yeah, he's in the ring of honor, just saw video and his name is up there
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Didn't they have a thing in 2023 for Jimmy's ring of honor? I swear I saw it
beast (8-Jan) : Though if they're legitimately trying to re-sign MM, then it makes sense.
beast (8-Jan) : Jerry Jones still hasn't put Jimmy Johnson in the Ring of Honor, but he's in the NFL's Hall of Fame, Jones is petty
Mucky Tundra (8-Jan) : Unless the Cowboys are planning an extension, seems kinda petty
beast (8-Jan) : Cowboys denied Bears request
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : From what I'm reading, MM is under contract through the 14th of January; after that he's free game
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : McCarthy let go or not extended??
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Chicago Bears have asked the Dallas Cowboys permission to interview Mike McCarthy for head coaching vacancy
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : The winners page that is
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : I was not hoping for that. It messes up the page lol
beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3.
beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3.
beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : congrats beast on 2024 !
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : congrats porky on winning 2023 pick'em! (oops sorry)
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : Packers have $60M+ of 2025 cap space on paper TODAY.
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Missed FG into a Lions TD; that'll do pig, that'll do
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : That might be it for the Vikings
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Oh so the refs do know what intentional grounding is
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : what the hell was that Goff?! Not much pressure and he just air mails it to Harrison
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : They really need to to get rid of the auto first down for illegal contact
Martha Careful (6-Jan) : watching the Vikings and Lions it's understandable why they swept the Packers. So much better product
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
15m / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

13h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

20h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

10-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

9-Jan / Around The NFL / beast

9-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

9-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

8-Jan / Around The NFL / beast

7-Jan / Fantasy Sports Talk / wpr

7-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

7-Jan / Fantasy Sports Talk / Zero2Cool

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.