Murphy starts to run out of sacrificial lambs· Page 4

Smokey
Veteran Member

6 years ago

John Dorsey took a god damn promotion in 2013 to be General Manager of the Chiefs!! How you are saying Murphy fucked that up is just beyond me and honestly plain ignorant.

Yesterday, I took over an hour of my evening to reply to you to help inform you on some of your worries that weren't actually valid. And you just keep coming with more blatant lies and ignorant bullshit.

The messed up thing, you were one of them who constantly complained about John's blind spite of Ted Thompson and everything he did. Yet, you act like a straight up hypocrite doing the same thing to Mark Murphy. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

As I'm seeing it, the Anger/Rage levels among some have yet to settle into the safe level of the scale. I'm not pleased when the Packers don't do well, but lashing out at this one or that one just prolongs the negativity. I'd like to read more positive post about healthy returning players or players that will be better entering their 2nd season or how Lambeau Field has and is a profit generator for the Packers.
Let's end the Pity Party and get POSITIVE moving forward. [twocents]

gbguy20
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#32

Dorsey, ok
That's my whole damn point.
He had his chance to do it right.
He fucked it up.
I'm done!

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

Totally ok with you saying that. This is your opinion and that is valid. The rest of the bullshit that you have been spewing the last few days is just that, bullshit. You blamed him for shit he didn't do, contradicted your own arguments and ignored all the facts put in front of you. Maybe next time just post the above and be done. Assuming you are referring to Murphy here.

BAD EMAIL because the address couldn ot be found, or is unable to receive mail.

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member Topic Starter

6 years ago

#33

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Say this one more time so as not to confuse anyone.

My one point!

Aftet the 2017 season Murphy had his chance to make changes, blow it up if you will, and he fucked up.
He half-assed it.
If you or anyone else can't see it .
I DON'T CARE!
I should have never tried to explain because I was unsure of the timeline of events.

So I'll just say it started when he removed Ted then didnt finish the job!

I'm sorry you took all thst time to try and prove me wrong.
Just know, again I don't care if you think I'm wrong, The Packers organization is far less stable then it was 1 year ago!

The big problem, it's going to take several years to fix.

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

6 years ago

#34

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

I can see your point that you might as well get rid of the head coach and general manager at the same time. It's kind of funny that we laughed at the Vikings for a similar structure as we have now, only to find out a good portion of the NFL operates in a similar fashion. Maybe it was the Vikings putting some cute name on the structure that made it so dorky to us, lol.

I am OK with the structure, except Russ Ball. Something about him I just don't like and I think he should be reporting to the General Manager. I don't know how many other finance people report to the GM though so I could be wanting something that's not even a decent idea.

steveishere
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#35

Gute has been a personnel guy his whole career, a scout. Has anyone complaining about the current structure thought that just maybe Gute is perfectly comfortable collaborating with someone on the hiring of the Head Coach? Maybe Gute is smart enough to know what his own strengths and weaknesses are and isn't too much of an ego maniac to need control over that aspect when it's possibly not in the best interest of the team? Murphy is a football guy through and through and from everything I've read about him is well respected around the league. I haven't seen any reason not to trust him as far as hiring executive staff and good football people.

steveishere
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#36

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

I'll have to disagree, McCarthy is a respected coach around the league and had a down year. Even though they replaced the GM I don't have a problem with giving McCarthy an extra year to try and turn things around. I doubt many GMs or whoever around the league would have done any differently. Just because Ted Thompson lost his edge and needed to be replaced doesn't mean you need to "blow everything up" outright. In hindsight MM couldn't turn it around and was ultimately let go but again that's hindsight.

If I have to blame one person for how everything went down it'd be Ted Thompson as at this point he should have been better prepared and had some kind of succession plan in place but instead he held on until he had to be forced out and from reports his overall communication even with his own staff was pretty poor the last couple years.

yooperfan
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#37

I didn't have much faith in Ted Thompson after I saw him attempt to speak a complete sentence as the new GM of the Packers.
It was very obvious that he was a poor communicator and poor communicators aren't generally good leaders.

When I took my youngest son to the"return to title town" celebration at Lambeau Field in 2011and Thompson referred to the Lombardi Trophy as the "Lambeau Trophy" I threw up in my mouth.
Thompson should have been fired right then and there.
He was never qualified to be anything more than a scout.
He's the reason the Green Bay Packers are where they are now.

KRK
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#38

Murphy also has a boss...we need to remember that. I don't who on the Executive Committee holds sway, but someone (or several people) does. If we set the way-back machine to 2017 EOS, and had Murphy walked in and said, "The best player in the league got hurt and we sucked, so now I want to fire not only the General Manager, but the Head Coach," a board meeting likely would have been held, and he would have been fired.

20/20 hindsight is always perfect.

In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK

beast
Select Member

6 years ago

#39

I didn't have much faith in Ted Thompson after I saw him attempt to speak a complete sentence as the new GM of the Packers.
It was very obvious that he was a poor communicator and poor communicators aren't generally good leaders.

When I took my youngest son to the"return to title town" celebration at Lambeau Field in 2011and Thompson referred to the Lombardi Trophy as the "Lambeau Trophy" I threw up in my mouth.
Thompson should have been fired right then and there.
He was never qualified to be anything more than a scout.
He's the reason the Green Bay Packers are where they are now.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan

So he's not qualified because he doesn't speak as well as you like?

What a complete load of uppity bullshit!

Maybe Murphy failed because he didn't fire everybody and hire all English majors to replace them that look good in suits so we can have a dog and pony show instead of focusing of football people.

There are a lot of legitimate things to hammer these guys and dislike them for, but this thread is full of bullshit excuses why not to like someone...

Can we please PLEASE go back to blaming people for things that...
1) They actually have done
2) They're not damned either way in a no win situation
3) Actually involved football

Cus right now, so sum up this thread so far, someone is bitching that single person should be put in charge of all meal ordering, Murphy basically does just that by putting Gute in charge of everything except dessert, then Murphy demonized as a horrible person when Gute ordered a salad as an appetizer and someone else saying Thompson is unqualified to eat because he used the wrong fork to eat said salad.

yooperfan
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#40

Wow, that's all I can say about your nonsensical post.
I certainly would have expected more from you.
I rarely bash other peoples opinions but, wow, where the hell did that come from.
Are you out ice fishing per chance?

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