Zero2Cool
6 years ago
Several great points in this article. What do you think about what Bucky says?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000991618/article/mike-mccarthy-must-evolve-now-key-to-andrew-lucks-revival 
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6 years ago
His main points rephrased:
- Too predictable/lack innovation
- Guys on the outside arent playmakers/difference makers
- Great drafts help mediocre teams become great

All excellent points

My favorite line in the article was from the scout who said that “he doesn’t help his guys win on the outside.” i.e. I don’t scheme my guys open.

It is especially hard to watch when there so many innovative offenses around including the Bears Chiefs Rams Saints et alia.

To be fair, the man doesn’t have that much to work with. On offernse other than 12, 63, 69,17, and perhaps 33, our starters are below average. Our guards get no drive, so running on 3rd and short is iffy at best, especially when there is no innovation.

Thanks for posting



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nerdmann
6 years ago

His main points rephrased:
- Too predictable/lack innovation
- Guys on the outside arent playmakers/difference makers
- Great drafts help mediocre teams become great

All excellent points

My favorite line in the article was from the scout who said that “he doesn’t help his guys win on the outside.” i.e. I don’t scheme my guys open.

It is especially hard to watch when there so many innovative offenses around including the Bears Chiefs Rams Saints et alia.

To be fair, the man doesn’t have that much to work with. On offernse other than 12, 63, 69,17, and perhaps 33, our starters are below average. Our guards get no drive, so running on 3rd and short is iffy at best, especially when there is no innovation.

Thanks for posting


Originally Posted by: KRK 



It's true but it's not why we've lost all these games.

We've lost these games, because of ST and because of his star QB. Mike needs to get a chapter in his textbook on sports psychology. Traditionally, Mike has been unable to have guys ready to play. Not just early in the season but early in games. They always go into a lull for at least one quarter.

Mike's teams play 30-45 minutes during an average football game, but STILL WIN. Then everyone says he "doesn't have enough talent." Bullshit. Press those emotional buttons. Motivate them. Get some momentum in games, keep it.

But the worst shortcoming in Mike's inability to grasp sports psychology is with Aaron. Aaron has now gone into diva mode. I suspect he got Ted fired, and now he's working on Mike. Dude has finagled a $33/year contract, so now he HAS LEVERAGE on the franchise. This was thought out beforehand. Aaron wants CONTROL of the franchise, and it looks like he is getting it. NOTHING good can come from this.

Look at Demarious Randall in Cleveland. He's been playing quite well. We could have used a guy like that, at that position. But it wasn't to be. Because Mike doesn't know how to deal with guys. The monster makes an appearance, Mike can't reel them back in. At least Gute was able to deal Randall. We might be stuck with Aaron due to his enormous contract.
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6 years ago
There are 30 other GMs who would love to be “saddled” with 12 and that contract.

I will grant you that ther may be a lack of motivation by MM, but other than 12, most teams in our conference would take their talent over ours.

Former Packers excelling elsewhere is the exception, and certainly NOT the rule. Other than last years draft, there is very little to show from the previous 3.

Don’t get me wrong, MM has his shortcomings, but we have average personnel. That notwithstanding, I love what an undermanned Pettine defense has been doing.
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TheKanataThrilla
6 years ago
The offense has issues, but it certainly doesn't help that we have been spending so much top draft capital on the defense. It was bound to come back to bite us in the ass. We complain about the 2015 and 2017 drafts and it being busts for us. What a difference those drafts could have been if we just drafted a Tyler Lockett and Cooper Kupp who many of us were hoping for. These guys you even didn't need to spend your first pick on.
go.pack.go.
6 years ago
I’d just love to see some proof that Rodgers is this “diva” that people make up in their minds 😂
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steveishere
6 years ago

There are 30 other GMs who would love to be “saddled” with 12 and that contract.

I will grant you that ther may be a lack of motivation by MM, but other than 12, most teams in our conference would take their talent over ours.

Former Packers excelling elsewhere is the exception, and certainly NOT the rule. Other than last years draft, there is very little to show from the previous 3.

Don’t get me wrong, Mike McCarthy has his shortcomings, but we have average personnel. That notwithstanding, I love what an undermanned Pettine defense has been doing.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Eh, Id say average is a bit of a stretch. We have average/unproven depth but between the starting tackle group, steady LG/C, a top WR, and Aaron Jones at RB who have all been healthy this year making that group work shouldn't be a tough ask with or without Rodgers playing like an MVP. The only starters on O that full on stink is RG and occasionally a rookie WR when they mess up.

Back in 2015 I could buy that argument a bit easier but it shouldn't be so hard this season. I think even if it's not some full blown mutiny McCarthy has really lost the confidence of the locker room this year. He's been a step too slow IMO to adjust his staff/scheme instead favoring "continuity" without getting enough results in return. He brought in too many yes men to help run HIS offense instead of bringing in a partner to help build it up.
yooperfan
6 years ago

I suspect he got Ted fired,

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


Thompson got himself fired with his ham handed personnel moves including poor drafting!
He should have been fired three years earlier.

nerdmann
6 years ago

Thompson got himself fired with his ham handed personnel moves including poor drafting!
He should have been fired three years earlier.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



Disagree. Ted was a top 5 GM in the NFL, throughout his tenure.

Ted was hamstrung by a conditioning staff that couldn't keep guys healthy and the fact that he had amassed so much depth that it was hard for new players to crack the roster. You still see guys he drafted and signed as UDFAs all over the league. Lawrence Guy just stripped Aaron Jones a few weeks ago.
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StoicFire
6 years ago
One of my favorite suggestions in this article was that McCarthy should learn from Andy Reid's recent situation. If you've been really set in your ways and your offense is getting stale, it does make a lot of sense to bring in other innovative coaches and allow them to help you tweak your offense. In spite of this season up to now, I still like McCarthy as a leader. But if the league is beginning to pass him by (as the article suggests) then I think it would be great for him to bring in some help to improve the playbook/call-sheet.
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