Nonstopdrivel
6 years ago
Oh. I misread the timestamp. For some reason I was thinking he posted that after the game.
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beast
6 years ago

I honestly don't understand the idea of a player throwing a fit in the heat of the moment is a big deal... if he didn't fumble the ball this would be a complete non-story... when things don't go their way, a lot of players throw fits.

Heck Aaron Rodgers threw a fit too... should he be cut as well? No because throwing fits (to a degree) is what players do when they're unhappy, they throw something... not a big deal. It was just horrible timing for him.
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stevegb
6 years ago
If this is true I have lost a lot of respect I had for Montgomery, no room for selfish players in a team sport.
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stevegb
6 years ago

I honestly don't understand the idea of a player throwing a fit in the heat of the moment is a big deal... if he didn't fumble the ball this would be a complete non-story... when things don't go their way, a lot of players throw fits.

Heck Aaron Rodgers threw a fit too... should he be cut as well? No because throwing fits (to a degree) is what players do when they're unhappy, they throw something... not a big deal. It was just horrible timing for him.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Yeah throwing fits and getting upset aren't reasons for being cut or moved but throwing fits and then doing your own thing is, if the team can't trust you you're pretty useless.
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nerdmann
6 years ago
Maybe that's why Aaron Jones hasn't seen the field. Maybe they've been tip toeing around Monty's feelings.
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beast
6 years ago

Yeah throwing fits and getting upset aren't reasons for being cut or moved but throwing fits and then doing your own thing is, if the team can't trust you you're pretty useless.

Originally Posted by: stevegb 



Let's be honest, that quote is going from a pissed off player who made a comment in the heat of the moment... if Monty keeps doing this over and over, then year he might be doing his own thing... but have we ever seen anything else like this from Monty? Everything I've heard about Monty the person has been GREAT up until this point... it isn't like CB Randall where there are rumors of possible problems.

According to Monty's statement the ST coach told him what the ST coach always said... if it goes in the end zone, keep it in the end zone... and Monty was watching the ball coming in, looking up and didn't see the end zone in front of him and so he took off...

So this could be a case of where Monty suddenly and randomly has gone rogue which is shock value and spreading all over after pissed off players in the heat of moment throw him under the bus.... or it could be a simply bonehead play, where he didn't realize he catch the ball in the end zone which is boring and not catching peoples attention.

Which seems more likely and reasonable? Are players human? Do they make bonehead mistakes like us fan humans?
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Porforis
6 years ago

if he didn't fumble the ball this would be a complete non-story...

Originally Posted by: beast 



That's kind of the point. He was benched. He threw a fit. He was given explicit instructions, ignored them because of said fit, made an objectively boneheaded move, it turned out badly, and it turned a ~60% chance of winning the game to maybe a 5% chance. Even if this was just an honest mistake... So? We've already been talking about our RBs all being good and not getting enough playing time. Even if this wouldn't have happened you don't think we'd trade Monty for say, a safety or any other position that's suffering right now?

Heck Aaron Rodgers threw a fit too... should he be cut as well? No because throwing fits (to a degree) is what players do when they're unhappy, they throw something... not a big deal. It was just horrible timing for him.



If we had two other QBs on the roster with roughly the same talent level both potential and demonstrated but different skillsets? Yeah I definitely would say "Let's trade him". Absolutely not the same situation though. He's an expendable player at an expendable position that has the most depth on the Packers that's already not getting much playing time. Aaron Rodgers isn't the franchise but he's the least expendable player on this squad, and thus gets more latitude to be a diva.
beast
6 years ago

ignored them because of said fit

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



And people are missing that this is a clear assumption... an assumption that's probably false and yet people are citing it as factual information.

He was upset, and something bad happened, so it must of only happened because he was upset...


That's bad logic, because it's completely ignoring the likely possibility that maybe it would of happened no matter what, even if he wasn't upset...
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Porforis
6 years ago
Yes some people are attributing his decision simply to the perception that he was upset. But you're attributing the outrage and the calls to trade him simply to the fact that he fumbled the ball. And okay, so maybe this would have happened no matter what. It still would have been a completely boneheaded move and I still would have been screaming at the TV the second he took it out of the endzone. You know, exactly like I did before I even realized he was moping on the sidelines. Because it was a boneheaded fucking move, the Packers aren't good at kick return blocking, and there's maybe a 10% chance to get the ball past the 25 in that circumstance and like a 2% chance of getting it to the 40 yard line. So okay, let's ignore all the talk about his emotions and just call it what it was - a boneheaded play with almost zero potential upside when a player was explicitly told not to do that thing, compounded by a fumble, by a completely expendable player at the team's biggest point of success coming up on the trade deadline.

Just like his emotions were only a part of why he did what he did and how much of a part is completely up for debate, so is him fumbling only being a part of why people suggest that we trade him. Which was the entire point I was getting at. We're not saying we should immediately trade Aaron Rodgers (or at least most of us) when he gets mopey and makes boneheaded plays because he is dramatically less expendable both in terms of players currently on the roster and available elsewhere, contributes a much more measurable amount positive to the team than Montgomery does, and is getting dramatically more playing time (which is tied into the previous two points). People give Rodgers shit constantly for "freelancing" and "not running the offense" and "ignoring open receivers" and "forcing balls deep" and "being a stat whore". But he objectively does dramatically more good for this team than Montgomery does.

Again, I've been a huge fan of Montgomery since literally his first preseason catch. He looked like a fucking beast out there. I don't think he's being effectively utilized in this offense and I think he could be much better utilized with some more intelligent playcalling. He's not going to be utilized that way as long as McCarthy's calling plays, and he's not doing much for us as-is, so let's trade him if we can get something for him. This was just the tipping point.
beast
6 years ago

Yes some people are attributing his decision simply to the perception that he was upset.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 


Exactly that's my point... that attributing is an assumption that's more likely to be wrong than right.

But you're attributing the outrage and the calls to trade him simply to the fact that he fumbled the ball.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 

Um, who are you talking to? ...

If me, where did I mention trade or fumble? And I disagree because I didn't realize I mention trade or fumble or was talking about either... so I think your comment would be a false understanding of what I've been saying...

I understand people being upset... I understands calls to punish or do something with him... what I don't understand is how, him being physical upset at being pulled to the sidelines is proof that he's guilty of being anymore selfish or worse than the rest of the players who all want to be out there on the field too.

So okay, let's ignore all the talk about his emotions and just call it what it was - a boneheaded play with almost zero potential upside when a player was explicitly told not to do that thing, compounded by a fumble, by a completely expendable player at the team's biggest point of success coming up on the trade deadline.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 


I completely agree with you here agree but want to mention that the article made it sound EXTREMELY explicit... and Monty's version made it sound more conditional so I'm just gonna point them out.

Article Quote: He was told to kneel

Monty: He was told to kneel IF it reached the end zone...
It did reach the end zone, but Monty claimed, he didn't realize that it reached the end zone
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