1st Round (18th Overall) CB Jaire Alexander· Page 3

Barfarn
Senior Member

6 years ago

One of my earliest experiences with Swag was TBuck. He kind of soured me on the whole concept.

Originally Posted by: wpr

Funny, I'll give you one guess as to who Alexander's CB coach was when he arrived in Louisville as a young impressionable wide-eyed Freshman. Good news is that this might be a strong indication he will take to coaching 😂.

isocleas2
Member

6 years ago

#22

Buckley while a disappointment in Green Bay stayed in the league another decade after leaving the Packers, he had some good years down in Miami.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

6 years ago

#23

One of my earliest experiences with Swag was TBuck. He kind of soured me on the whole concept.

Originally Posted by: wpr

Buckley messed up when he talked about how he's already better than Deion Sanders and would break the INT season record as a rookie. After that, he had no chance of winning Packers fans over. And it got worse when Alvin Harper jumped over him and another low was when Packers fans cheered him for simply making a fair catch.

He started off wrong, finished pretty damn well though.

Listening to Jaire Alexander talk, I don't see an ounce of Buckley's attitude in him at all and the dude looks just like he belongs on the field, looks so comfortable out there like its HIS playground.

northmianon
Member

6 years ago

#24

My thoughts-
1. You need to post more often. Your comments are very articulate.
2. "Swag" players have to walk a fine line. One of my earliest experiences with Swag was TBuck. He kind of soured me on the whole concept. I have seen too many players go for the INT and miss. The receiver then gets 10, 20 maybe 50 yards. Being conservative has some advantages in that you avoid the big play. But it has its disadvantages too in that you don't stop the offense and get off the field often enough.
3. If he or any player is going to go for the big play I sure hope they have had adequate communication with the other members of the backfield. It has been sadly lacking on too many occasions in the past few years. I just hate watching these guys stand around looking at each other wondering who was supposed to do what.
4. Post more comments.

Originally Posted by: wpr

You are absolutely correct on item number 2. I'll echo Zero2Cool's sentiments in relation to that line, in which Tbuck found himself on the wrong side of it. You could point towards Terrell Buckley's outlandish claims and make the argument that such over-confidence was in fact masking his lack of it in himself. Often times, when we don't believe something within ourselves, but feel we have something to prove; we double down and raise the stakes. Problem is, Terrell Buckley tried to set the bar so high, it had an adverse effect on his hopes of ever reaching it. I never got that sense when listening to Jaire speak.

In regards to point 3, I don't mind if he takes a chance here and there and misreads a jump on a route. It's bound to happen, you just hope that his judgement is sound enough so that it happens less often than it does more. Remember that infamous Seahawks and Packer's playoff game? No, not the one where we systematically deconstructed because we stopped taking chances and tried to play the game out conservatively - The one where Matt Hasselbeck promised victory. That one. Al Harris took a chance and jumped the route and on our way we went. He plays that more conservatively, and there's a good chance they nickle and dime us down and take a field goal to win it. There's also a chance he misreads that jump and that short pass takes them down the field and ends in the same result. That variable is why we watch football though. It's part of what makes it so exciting.

And hey, in the event that he misreads a play.....a 4.38 forty goes a long way in helping you get back in position 😛.

I'm excited to watch these guys ball.

TheKanataThrilla
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#25

Not sure what the doom and gloom is all about. He is a rookie. He is going to learn. Kid is f'ing fast. I like his confidence. Most pro athletes have a huge ego, I love he has self-confidence. If you don't you might as well stick to rec league.

Mucky Tundra
Honored Member

6 years ago

#26

Packers pick invites paralles to Terrell Buckley. Is that good or bad?

When the Green Bay Packers selected Jaire Alexander out of Louisville in the first round of the 2018 NFL draft Thursday, it was easy to draw comparisons to 1992 draft choice Terrell Buckley.

Both were undersized cornerbacks, and both were taken by Packers general managers making their first draft choices.

Ron Wolf, who chose Buckley at No. 5 overall in his first draft, supposedly made the decision to up the minimum height requirement for any Packers cornerback draft selection to 5-11 after Buckley (5-9) struggled in his first few years in the NFL.

Current general manager Brian Gutekunst appeared to eschew that philosophy when he chose Alexander (5-10 1/4) with the 18th overall choice.

I've always felt that Jason Garrett owes Buckley a large portion of his career earnings for torching him during the 1994 Thanksgiving game in Dallas by simply throwing the ball over his head. Without Buckley, I'm convinced Garrett doesn't last half as long as he does in the league and never goes on to coach. Even more galling about that game was the announcers relating a story heard from Garrett during the week before the game that Garretts mom suggested he just throw the ball high over Buckley. You know you're in trouble when the backup QBs mom sees your weakness and makes suggestions like that.

Putting aside Terrell Buckley horror stories, I like Alexander and I like his confidence and swag or whatever you want to call it. Yeah, it's a problem when someone is celebrating when down 30 and getting burnt all game. I guess I'm tired of watching our guys looking confused and dejected and always reacting to whatever the offense is doing. It always felt like any aggressive tendencies were smothered under Dom. With Pettine and a guy like Alexander, I feel like that's about to change. I can't remember a defense in this league that was successful and meek at the same time.

Another way of putting it to use a Mike Tyson quote, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." Since the Super Bowl win, this D has been getting punched in the mouth and it's past time for that to change. I want this D to start doing the punching and you need guys like Alexander for that. You need his speed to make QBs to pay for mistakes. You need his cover skills to send guys on the blitz. And if we do get punched in the mouth lets hope that self confidence and swagger is there to respond because like Kanata said, if you don't have self confidence, you might as well not be in the league.

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buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#27

Let's do a little flashback

Sept. 20th 1992.
The mighty Bengals roll into Green Bay.
1991 AFC. Champions, losing a heartbreaker in The Super Bowl to the 49rs.

The Bengals already a heavy favorite , almost assured victory by knocking out everybody's favorite Packer, starting QB Don Majkowski.

With the Majic Man gone, any hope for victory went with him as he was carried off the field.

The game became ugly, to The Packers credit they did not give up.

Late in the 3rd quarter down 23-10 The defense stiffened and forced a Bengal punt deep in their own territory.

A much maligned(mostly his own doing) Terrel Buckley fields the punt at his own 42 and scampered 58 yards for a Packer TD.

The Packers still down 6 watched with fans as Majic's replacement, some kid named Favre or Favor couldn't get out of his own way, generating nothing on offense.

Undeterred, The Packers D held The Mighty Bengals scoreless.

Forcing them to punt with a little over a minute to go in the game.

The rest as they say is history!

A legend was born that day, but without Terrell Buckleys punt return for a TD , it may never have happened .

I hope Alexander does have Buckleys punt return skills.

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

DoddPower
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#28

Casey Hayward is doing pretty well with the Chargers and isn't a huge guy. I wonder how he compares:

-Casey Hayward - 5'11, 185 lbs, 4.57 second forty, 30.25" arms, 6.76 second 3-cone drill, 19 reps on bench
-Jaire Alexander - 5'10 and 1/4", 196 lbs, 4.38 forty, 31 1/8" arms, 6.71 second 3-cone drill, 35" vertical jump, 14 reps on the bench

Edit: Add Sam Shields

-Sam Shields - 5'11", 184 lbs, 4.30 second forty, 6.70 second 3-cone, 15 reps on bench, 39" vertical jump

nerdmann
Premier Member

6 years ago

#29

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

Dude is like the best parts of both, man. I like him.

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