Cheesey
7 years ago
I don’t like it. Taking away the kickoff takes away the possible onsides kick. It also takes away the possible return for a touchdown.
A way around this would be to have the kicking team kicking off from their own 45 yard line. Most kicks would go through the end zone, ending the chance of injuries, while not taking away the chance of an onside kick.
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Cheesey
7 years ago
I understand the desire to make football safer. But you have to stop at some point, or it no longer is football.
You can’t wrap the players in bubble wrap so they won’t get hurt.
If the players want to be better protected, they themselves should hold some meetings and maybe set up their OWN panel to judge their own players. Let them decide if a player is a dirty player that should be suspended, or fired.
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Porforis
7 years ago
I really just want to see the data on kickoff injuries. I can find all kinds of articles talking about how kickoffs are injury heavy, and even references to studies, but of course either nobody cites their sources or they're just citing other articles.

I realize that my own perception that kickoffs don't have a lot of injuries is inherently anecdotal and probably incorrect - I just want to see the information for myself.
Dulak
7 years ago
ya I can understand also wanting the game to be safer but Im sure they could say "we analyzed that when the QB thre the ball more then 15 yards down the field there was a increase of 3x for injuries compared to plays throw under that. So no more throwing it down the field?"

Where do we draw the line and stop calling it football?
nerdmann
7 years ago
Wouldn't mind the "4th and 15" option, if that will genuinely help prevent injuries.
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Zero2Cool
7 years ago

I don’t like it. Taking away the kickoff takes away the possible onsides kick. It also takes away the possible return for a touchdown.
A way around this would be to have the kicking team kicking off from their own 45 yard line. Most kicks would go through the end zone, ending the chance of injuries, while not taking away the chance of an onside kick.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Maybe if they give teams the option to do a hail mary at the 50 yard line and if you fail to score, the other team gets it on the 50. Something like that could be interesting.
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Cheesey
7 years ago

Maybe if they give teams the option to do a hail mary at the 50 yard line and if you fail to score, the other team gets it on the 50. Something like that could be interesting.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


That would take away the “surprise” aspect of an onside kick.

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Zero2Cool
7 years ago

That would take away the “surprise” aspect of an onside kick.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Very true, however, the intent is to give the scoring team another opportunity to score again while accepting some risk. Otherwise, they kick FG, and the other team gets it and no chance to score again unless the defense gets a three an out or turnover. This option affords them to score again and make a great comeback.
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TheKanataThrilla
7 years ago

Wouldn't mind the "4th and 15" option, if that will genuinely help prevent injuries.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


The problem with this option is the cheap illegal contact penalty for the automatic first down. I think it would be way easier to get a first down in this scenario than to recover an onside kick.
Cheesey
7 years ago
I just don’t remember that many injuries on kickoffs. Are they just looking for problems that aren’t really there? Kicking from the 35 has put most of them in the end zone anyway.
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