Zero2Cool
7 years ago
Vic has his own website now that he's retired. He makes some decent points about Dom Capers. I still want a DC change though.


Bill from Menominee, WI
"When performance is not the equal of the talent available to the coach, it's time to find a new coach." I always defended Dom Capers, saying he would be hired immediately elsewhere if he were let go because he was too good to go unemployed at the NFL level. But after looking at players like Walden, Hyde, Hayward and Williams being released to become difference-makers elsewhere after being average or slightly above in Green Bay, it's getting harder to defend Capers with such a disconnect between drafted talent and scheme. It just seems like the same deficiencies are exposed year after year.

Forgive me, Bill, but you have lit a fuse in me. Casey Hayward was the Packers' rookie of the year in 2012 with six interceptions and 21 passes defensed. A crippling hamstring injury limited him to only three games played in '13 and then dogged him through his final two seasons with the Packers. That's Coach Capers' fault? Micah Hyde was an ultra-productive player for the Packers. He intercepted eight passes and defensed 22 passes as a part-time starter in his final three years in Green Bay. The Packers allowed him to leave in free agency because they had drafted HaHa and Randall in the first round and Rollins in the second round in consecutive drafts and couldn't find a place to play Hyde that would justify the money they'd have to pay him. That's Coach Capers' fault? Tramon Williams came to the Packers after being cut by the Texans and he became a fixture at cornerback in Green Bay. I don't recall him becoming a difference-maker in Cleveland or Arizona, but who would forget what he did for the Packers in the 2010 season? He was allowed to leave in free agency because the Packers needed to get younger in the secondary. That's Coach Capers' fault? Erik Walden came to the Packers after being cut by the Cowboys, Chiefs and Dolphins. An off-the-field event did much to seal Walden's fate in Green Bay. That's Coach Capers' fault? How about Datone Jones, Jerrell Worthy, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton and Christian Ringo? Have any of them become difference-makers somewhere else? I think you all might get your cup of blood this year, because I don't know how Mike McCarthy can withstand another year of the howl, but this problem is not Coach Capers' fault

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gbguy20
7 years ago
6 consecutive years of horrendous defense. He needs to be held accountable. I'm sure there are plenty of good points to both sides. But it's 6 consecutive years of horrendous defense. That is all that matters at this point.
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TheKanataThrilla
7 years ago
I am not sure how a draft works from the inside, but to me it would make a whole lot of sense for Dom to have some say in the Defensive players picked.The fact we have invested so much in the early rounds on the D and have seen absolutely no improvement leads me to believe it is either a problem with Dom's system or that there is a total communication disconnect between the scouts, GM and Dom as to who fits best in our system.
yooperfan
7 years ago

I am not sure how a draft works from the inside, but to me it would make a whole lot of sense for Dom to have some say in the Defensive players picked.The fact we have invested so much in the early rounds on the D and have seen absolutely no improvement leads me to believe it is either a problem with Dom's system or that there is a total communication disconnect between the scouts, GM and Dom as to who fits best in our system.

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True, and Thompson needs to be held accountable as well.

beast
7 years ago

I am not sure how a draft works from the inside, but to me it would make a whole lot of sense for Dom to have some say in the Defensive players picked.The fact we have invested so much in the early rounds on the D and have seen absolutely no improvement leads me to believe it is either a problem with Dom's system or that there is a total communication disconnect between the scouts, GM and Dom as to who fits best in our system.

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First off, I'm sure that you are right that coaches are given some input. At least any players with large questions, like the short ILB they drafted (DJ Smith?), Capers seems to give think that wouldn't be a problem and compared him to someone else like he knew questions would be raised.

But something I learned early on about coaches and scouting is that they don't mix well... at least not from what I've seen. Word/rumor is that coaches normally get hung up on the flashy stuff and miss the other parts.

But Vince Lombardi is considered one of the greatest coaches ever (if not the greatest), but he was a horrible GM... so where did all of his talent come from? The guy before him, who was a great GM, but horrible coach.

Look at Mike Sherman (or almost any coach as GM) ... Bill Belichick does alright as GM but it's said that it's because he delegates most of the work to his #2 guy.

But look at Mike McCarthy... they gave him input to the 2005 draft and he said is was one of number of guys that voted to go with Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers.

Also a number of draft people have asked for a while if the Packers were drafting for a 3-4 defense or not, because a lot of their selections have seemed more like 4-3 selects as with the 3-4, they normally want more length in their front and Packers rarely drafted length high. I'm not sure who that came from, the coaches or the scouts, but the DL coach touted how he believes in leverage (lower pad level) more than length.

But simply, I do feel like there has been some sort of disconnected between the on the field scheme and players drafted for it. Also feel like it's changed in the last two drafts, like they might of reset the scheme and what they are looking for... as both the on the field scheme has changed and they seem to be drafting a different kind of player.

As Fackrell, Martinez, Lowery, King, Jones are all different types than who the Packers have grabbed in the past. Most of them because of their length, but Martinez because I think he might be the lightest ILB they've taken at least that high in the draft and they've been avoiding SS but now draft Jones (who doubles as a coverage ILB on the side).
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Cheesey
7 years ago
As long as every season is an attempt to get " younger", you will never have a decent defense.
Younger is a nice idea, but then you don't have a continuity with your D, or the veteran leadership.
Is it getting younger, or a GM that is too cheap to pay to keep your better vets?
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