I dont agree that our defense sucked or has sucked this year ... ya its had some issues including injuries but IMO I think it has done really well.

Before someone mentions how many yards the saints pulled off - the defense can only do so much if the offense cant convert let alone hardly score. If the d didnt get 2 ints that game the score would of looked rediculous.

We have no defense, and an offense that could only keep us in games with Rodgers as QB.
Without him, we are pedestrian.
As far as injuries, look around the NFL. NY with Beckham Jr., JJ Watt, and how many others? Injuries happen to all teams. Your ability to overcome them is what separates the good from the great.
We don't have good enough players at the biggest positions to overcome them.
That's on Ted.

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The Packers just haven't seemed to be as good at developing WRs since they lost WR coach Jimmy Robinson (who was going to retire, until his best friend became the head coach for the Cowboys).

But the Packers just plain haven't been that good at drafting defensive players... so many wasted picks on busts or under preformers on the DL/OLB, and Shields and Williams have been some of their best CBs, and they were UDFAs.

This is what happens when you struggle at drafting and developing players.

Of course the draft is partly a crap shoot. You can make a lot of right calls, and the players just might not develop for some reason, like Spriggs, who seems to have all the physical talent, but sure didn't play like it and might of gotten worse since his rookie year.


Though, there still aren't yet enough pieces, especially at the important positions of CB and OLB, but the current defense is starting to seem like it could become the Packers deepest in terms of talent since their last Super Bowl in another year or two. Just need DT Adams to develop, and more/better OLB/CB play on defense.

On offense, they really need a #1 WR to step up, or at minimum a deep threat. Nelson still got it with his connect with Rodgers, but I don't think he has that connection with Hundley, but Nelson is getting older and slower. I'm not sure Cobb nor Adams have it to be the top guy. And they need their OL to stay healthy.

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The Packers defense hasn't been able to consistently stop opponents when it matters the most since perhaps 2010.

Right, but the article gives no indication that those rankings are aggregates of individual grades. Notice that none of the players' names are followed by their PFF grade for the season. This article is more of a subjective power rankings for offensive lines. That doesn't mean it's necessarily flawed, of course, just that it's one writer's personal opinion.

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Maybe McCarthy should watch this vid.

The 2 turnovers would have been huge had the offense turned them into points - even if they were FGs.

The TOP was lopsided big time. The difference was nearly a full quarter of football. This will not win you many games. Defense had a rough 2nd half, but how many stops do you expect them to get when the offense punts after every 3 plays? They could have played better, but they did not cost us the game (feels weird saying that for a change.)

never mind. decided to delete my post.

IMO the Packers defense is no better at stopping people from scoring or on third down, or really in any category now than they were in 2010. Which has basically been the case since 2010. The big thing they did in 2010 was produce a lot of turnovers, and a lot of them were at key points. You can give up a lot of first downs and yardage if you're taking the ball away 3 times a game.