beast
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8 years ago
Very interesting to see come up with some new creative category for the roles that players fall in within certain positions, instead of simply just their position.

Example which category do the DBs fall within of these categories
Sentinels, Badgers, Rangers, Robbers, Enforcers

I think Tex put a couple of players in wrong categories but it's an interesting article for those that like creative categories in which to label players with.

Is Ty Montgomery a Rook or a Bishop? Is Kenny Clark a Dragoon or an Anchor? See what we mean by these questions inside. On Monday morning, Danny Kelly of The Ringer published an interesting look at the way positions are named in the NFL . Specifically, he argues that it’s time to completely revolutionize position names to reflect the league’s trends and players’ specific roles.

Evan "Tex" Western  wrote:


I do strongly believe in the past the NFL has over simplified positions which lead to a lot of confusion by fans... such as 3-4 DE vs a 4-3 DE being completely different positions... as 3-4 DE was much more like an interior DL and 4-3 DE much more like an edge rusher... same with OLB position.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
If fans can't figure out DE's or OLB's they are never going to understand a naming system like that.


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Smokey
8 years ago

Very interesting to see come up with some new creative category for the roles that players fall in within certain positions, instead of simply just their position.

Example which category do the DBs fall within of these categories
Sentinels,Badgers , Rangers, Robbers, Enforcers

Originally Posted by: beast 



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8 years ago

If fans can't figure out DE's or OLB's they are never going to understand a naming system like that.

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I very much agree with what you're saying... but still the point is that it's a neat idea, to be creative and come up new/better label names for the positions like Danny Kelly did and here .

Heck do we even know all the Packers labels for all the positions? Like they call the nickel CB position "star", but what do they call the outside CB position?

These are just different topics to talk about, what I haven't seen around... what are things labeled, and what should they be labeled instead.

Like I believe 4-3 DEs and 3-4 OLB should simply be labeled "edge rushers" or "ER" position because their functions are a lot alike... and they're a lot closer to each other than the 3-4 DE or 4-3 OLB are to them.
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8 years ago

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wpr
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8 years ago
It's a good topic beast. I was thinking of posting it this morning but I got busy.

It can be entertaining to get new names for the positions but as it was pointed out it won't make it easier for the average fan to grasp.
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8 years ago
One of the first comments at that site I read summed it up pretty well.
In a nutshell: In long line of dumb articles recently this is near the head of the pack.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

I very much agree with what you're saying... but still the point is that it's a neat idea, to be creative and come up new/better label names for the positions like Danny Kelly did and here .

Heck do we even know all the Packers labels for all the positions? Like they call the nickel CB position "star", but what do they call the outside CB position?

These are just different topics to talk about, what I haven't seen around... what are things labeled, and what should they be labeled instead.

Like I believe 4-3 DEs and 3-4 OLB should simply be labeled "edge rushers" or "ER" position because their functions are a lot alike... and they're a lot closer to each other than the 3-4 DE or 4-3 OLB are to them.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Looking at the Packers depth chart, they have DE, DT and NT which pretty much covers it. OLBs and DE's are not close to the same, sure they both can edge rush, but 4-3 DEs seldom drop into coverage other than an occasional zone blitz. It is why we were not surprised when Kampmann moved on, because he was a 4-3 DE not a 3-4 OLB. Clay couldn't play DE in a 4-3 either.

No need to make anything more difficult than it needs to be.
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beast
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8 years ago

Looking at the Packers depth chart, they have DE, DT and NT which pretty much covers it. OLBs and DE's are not close to the same, sure they both can edge rush, but 4-3 DEs seldom drop into coverage other than an occasional zone blitz. It is why we were not surprised when Kampmann moved on, because he was a 4-3 DE not a 3-4 OLB. Clay couldn't play DE in a 4-3 either.

No need to make anything more difficult than it needs to be.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Packers depth chart has been switching around the label with small changes from year to year... I think they're getting very close, but it wasn't long ago that they were confusing some too.

4-3 DEs and 3-4 OLB are very close to being the exact same thing in today's game... 4-3 DEs don't drop into coverage much, but neither do moderation day 3-4 OLB... in a large part to the fact the 3-4 OLBers are more often in 2-4 sub packages where the OLB lines up across from the OT just like the 4-3 DE... they're very close to being the same thing in the current game. And Matthews has been playing a lot of 4-2 DE (opps I mean 2-4 OLB, because there is somehow a difference) the last couple of years...

It's not more difficult to correctly call things as they are... it's simpler... that way you don't have to decode them later because the codes are confusing and easy for people to get mixed up.

A 3-4 DE is an interior DL
A 4-3 DE is an edge rusher
A 3-4 OLB is an edge rusher
A 4-3 OLB is a traditional LB

The DE/OLB labels being used in multiple ways is more difficult and confusing to people than simply calling the edge rushers the edge rushers.
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Cheesey
8 years ago
Let's see....renaming positions....how about , instead of "quarterback", we change it to "da guy dat trows da ball" and "wide receiver" to "da guy dat catches da ball".?
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