macbob
8 years ago

Your response is illogical. You will never KNOW that it will be better. It will ALWAYS be a roll of the dice. I understand you want the odds in your favor. Who doesn't? Even if they appear to be in your favor it is not a guarantee. IE: See Ted's draft bust record in the first round. All those guys appeared safe picks for him because he is conservative and is horrified to make a mistake so he plays it as safe as anyone which I'm guessing what you love. He still fails over and over because there are no guarantees. If an org could know then there would be no Cleveland Browns. Honestly, I'm not trying to rip you but think about what you typed to me. It makes no sense. So, you only want to make a change if you KNOW it's going to be better? My previous post already covered the FACT that you WILL NOT KNOW whether it's better or worse until well down the road. With your way of thinking there would never be any marriages in this country. NOBODY would KNOW that the person they're about to marry is going to produce "for better" or "for worse".

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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Sorry, uffda, but I'm not going to allow you to paint my position into what you would like it to be. What I clearly stated (and I'll quote again):

unless we have a good expectation that the what we put in it's place is going to be better

That's obviously not KNOWING. But that's also not saying dump McCarthy without KNOWING I've got a shot at somebody better.

That, in my opinion, is the height of folly--to say dump McCarthy when we've reached the NFC championship game 2 out of the 3 past years, without at least having someone in mind that you suspect is better and at least some idea that they are available and / or interested.

When I asked you in the other thread who you wanted to replace McCarthy with YOU HAD NO NAMES WHATSOEVER. That, to me, is what makes no sense.
uffda udfa
8 years ago

Sorry, uffda, but I'm not going to allow you to paint my position into what you would like it to be. What I clearly stated (and I'll quote again):

unless we have a good expectation that the what we put in it's place is going to be better

That's obviously not KNOWING. But that's also not saying dump McCarthy without KNOWING I've got a shot at somebody better.

That, in my opinion, is the height of folly--to say dump McCarthy when we've reached the NFC championship game 2 out of the 3 past years, without at least having someone in mind that you suspect is better and at least some idea that they are available and / or interested.

When I asked you in the other thread who you wanted to replace McCarthy with YOU HAD NO NAMES WHATSOEVER. That, to me, is what makes no sense.

Originally Posted by: macbob 



"Unless we have a good expectation that the what we put in it's place is going to be better"... That is the statement.?

What team, person, entity, etc. would ever make a change without having a good expectation it was going to be better? That's illogical, again. Seriously, think about your statement. So, the Packers are going to fire Mike McCarthy and you're worried that they might not be expecting the next person to do better? Why fire MM, then? That would be wholly illogical. You're hedging leaning into the I want to KNOW category, again, and you admitted you can't know. You can know it's time for a change, though, and I think not firing Dom and his loyalty issue to his buddies despite performance means he has to go. We're not in the NFC Championship because of Mike McCarthy. That is folly to believe that. We're in the championship game(s) because of Aaron Rodgers. When he's on fire we're close to unstoppable...when he's not, well, there's Atlanta for you.

Names? I've always promoted Jim Harbaugh. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that guy. Jon Gruden. I've spoken of both of those guys on several occasions. I want a truly tough, not fake tough, HC. One whose actions and words are tough just not his occasional words.

The height of folly? Really? Did you look at where Mike McCarthy was when we went and plucked him? I just edited his WikiPedia page because it was inaccurate. Said his O was last in points and yards. I corrected it to ready it was 30th in points and dead last in yards. I like the truth. I like it to be fair and accurate.




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Zero2Cool
8 years ago
It's cute to throw names like Jon Gruden, Bill Cowher and other guys who we all know are done coaching in the NFL. It's safe to say them because you'll never be proven wrong. Where are your balls at? Let's say Kyle Shanahan since we already know he's not going to be a Packers HC too. Another safe name to drop.

What about Jim Bob Cooter? Sean McDermott? Bob Sutton? George Edwards? Paul Guenther?

Chew on that.

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uffda udfa
8 years ago

It's cute to throw names like Jon Gruden, Bill Cowher and other guys who we all know are done coaching in the NFL. It's safe to say them because you'll never be proven wrong. Where are your balls at? Let's say Kyle Shanahan since we already know he's not going to be a Packers HC too. Another safe name to drop.

What about Jim Bob Cooter? Sean McDermott? Bob Sutton? George Edwards? Paul Guenther?

Chew on that.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Sean McDermott is the HC of the Buffalo Bills.


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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

Sean McDermott is the HC of the Buffalo Bills.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Be creative! Think outside the box! Jon Gruden was traded, wasn't he? How'd that go? Didn't he win the Super Bowl shortly after? Come on people, I can't think of EVERYTHING!!
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macbob
8 years ago

"Unless we have a good expectation that the what we put in it's place is going to be better"... That is the statement.?

What team, person, entity, etc. would ever make a change without having a good expectation it was going to be better? That's illogical, again. Seriously, think about your statement. So, the Packers are going to fire Mike McCarthy and you're worried that they might not be expecting the next person to do better? Why fire MM, then? That would be wholly illogical.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 




From the thread:
http://www.packershome.com/forum/posts/t25499-10---6-is-dismal-for-Packers 

Regime change is easy to call for. What's harder is finding replacements that are improvements. Who are your replacements?

Originally Posted by: macbob 



Type is best I can do.Aggressive, smart, well spoken, hungry, respect commanding, tough.

Mike McCarthy has run his course here. Dom has run his course. Are you really more concerned with who is next vs. taking the risk on fresh ideas? I'm not. There is no guarantee any coach, DC, is going to work out here regardless of pedigree. The thing is to try. You have no idea what plays will work or moves during a game but you have to try things to find out. I want to find out what's behind door #2.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



So, you've got nobody, just a pipe dream.

Originally Posted by: macbob 


uffda udfa
8 years ago


So. You're sticking with illogical. We moved on from Sherman with MM. Not sure anyone was all that fired up for Mike McCarthy just glad Sherman was gone.


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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

So. You're sticking with illogical. We moved on from Sherman with MM. Not sure anyone was all that fired up for Mike McCarthy just glad Sherman was gone.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



No worries. I used your method of grabbing whichever ranking helped me illustrate my point, just like you!! 😎 🤤 😂

2000 10th ranked offense
2001 10th ranked offense
2002 3rd ranked offense
2003 11th ranked offense
2004 14th ranked offense

Top half offense in the NFL!!!
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uffda udfa
8 years ago

No worries. I used your method of grabbing whichever ranking helped me illustrate my point, just like you!! 😎 🤤 😂

2000 10th ranked offense
2001 10th ranked offense
2002 3rd ranked offense
2003 11th ranked offense
2004 14th ranked offense

Top half offense in the NFL!!!

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Ha ha. None of those are a ranking of what he'd immediately done when we hired him.

Top half. Not best but top half. This aim high approach is lost on Packers nation. At least the Niners are getting a guy from the 1st overall offense and SB participant. Funny to see one of our fans questioning Shanahan when our guy was at complete opposite end when hired.

Shoot low will always be promulgated here I'm afraid.


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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

Ha ha. None of those are a ranking of what he'd immediately done when we hired him.

Top half. Not best but top half. This aim high approach is lost on Packers nation. At least the Niners are getting a guy from the 1st overall offense and SB participant. Funny to see one of our fans questioning Shanahan when our guy was at complete opposite end when hired.

Shoot low will always be promulgated here I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Maybe you could say that Ted Thompson plucked the WORST RANKED OFFENSE and turned him into a Super Bowl winning Head Coach? See what I did there? I used your yards ranking to help make my point a little more emphasized!

I love statistics, but when they aren't objectively used (which is freaking hard) they are just a clever way to lie to brainwash those reading it.

The Packers won't fail to win another Super Bowl. I'm going to play Madden to prove that!! ufda, you wanna join in?
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