Underrated head coach· Page 3

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

8 years ago

Mike was hired to develop Rodgers. Of there was. O Aaron, there would be no Mike. Alex Smith would have been developed by Mike instead.

That said, I take Lombardi, then Holmgren, then McCarthy.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

McCarthy didn't develop Rodgers Tom Clements did.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

RaiderPride
Senior Member

8 years ago

#22

Answer this question....

When was the last time.... You have read a statement from the future first round H.O.F Q.B. about how "Coach" put together a great game plan? Have you ever heard him say... Our coach prepared us well, and we executed?

I may be wrong and so often am, but R.P. only sees articles about how AARON designed and drew up the catch in the huddle.

That is a dig on the whole GBP coaching staff. And if they lose in Atlanta, it will be a contributing factor.

""People Will Probably Never Remember What You Said, And May Never Remember What You Did. However, People Will Always Remember How You Made Them Feel."

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

8 years ago

#23

Originally Posted by: RaiderPride

I watch the player locker room interviews quite a bit. What you're asking is said a helluva lot. Coach had us prepared. Great game plan. It's as if you listened to them too and slapped blinders on lol. Also, heard that they just trust the process over and over again as explanation to turning things around.

As for Aaron saying those things, yes. He has said them too.

The Hall of Fame had rounds??

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#24

but...has 12 said that over the last two seasons? It's 12's team in more ways than one. Aaron is running this offense. He's like an old player/coach for that side of the ball.

Sure. He's used phrases like trust the process. To credit the process to MM is a leap. Aaron had his own process. I honestly don't think I've heard what RP was specifically asking. Aaron will throw praise everywhere but MM.

Listen to MM's post game presser...The very end. MM said the end of the game was all Aaron. MM was just along for the ride. MM gets all this love but he was no factor in crunch time and that's probably a good thing.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

8 years ago

#25

but...has 12 said that over the last two seasons? It's 12's team in more ways than one. Aaron is running this offense. He's like an old player/coach for that side of the ball.

Sure. He's used phrases like trust the process. To credit the process to Mike McCarthy is a leap. Aaron had his own process. I honestly don't think I've heard what RP was specifically asking. Aaron will throw praise everywhere but MM.

Listen to MM's post game presser...The very end. Mike McCarthy said the end of the game was all Aaron. Mike McCarthy was just along for the ride. Mike McCarthy gets all this love but he was no factor in crunch time and that's probably a good thing.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

I will not waste my time attempting to convince someone of anything on the internet, especially someone as pig headed as you. Maybe pig headed is too strong, I should say, someone as convicted to their own narrow (my opinion) view of something.

Separately, I want to make it clear. I am not saying Mike McCarthy is the best coach in the NFL, but I can't name five better.

I've noticed a lot of fans feel entitled to Super Bowl championships and they are an embarrassment to the fanbase. You're the reason we called ungrateful and spoiled. We are spoiled, absolutely, but I for one appreciate the hell out of what this team has done and am so grateful the team I chose to follow is as successful as it has been.

The best part is when someone ignorant tool says "Patriots" as if what they are doing is a legitimate barometer. That tells me how you have no idea how difficult winning in the NFL is.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#26

You can't name 5 better HC's because there aren't 5 active with better records and that's the standard by which MM is judged. Mike Sherman had a great win % until the year Ted Thompson gutted us to justify firing him. Ironically, there were articles at Packers.com bringing up Sherman and Lombardi's winning percentage.

To benefit with having Favre and then Rodgers and posting a 10-7 record in the playoffs isn't that impressive is it?

When you want to cite cherry picked stats as your justification of his ability then it should follow that the Patriots stats are a fair gauge. Why isn't that allowable? It should be and blows out of the water this fantasy that we have it as good as we should have.

What is the answer to why 4 years out of 11 in a championship game is hailed when you know this is the Pats 6th in a row? MM's accomplishment doesn't look good in light of that fact. A team with a special QB like we have and NE has should be in a lot of championship games. They have. We haven't. What's the difference? Belichick is so much better than MM right? It certainly isn't because Brady is so much better than Rodgers. Our org is just not even close to their equal in accomplishments and you have to really think as to why that is? We need an HC, GM and DC that is closer to what they've had and we'd be better.

Ask NE how hard it is to win with a special HOF QB. They've proven it not to be that hard. We've made it a heckuva lot harder than they have. They're the standard if you want to look at an org. We're quite distant. Why?

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

8 years ago

#27

You can't name 5 better HC's because there aren't 5 active with better records and that's the standard by which Mike McCarthy is judged. Mike Sherman had a great win % until the year Ted Thompson gutted us to justify firing him. Ironically, there were articles at Packers.com bringing up Sherman and Lombardi's winning percentage.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

You're free to judge McCarthy by his record, that's fine. I'm not.

I think these coaches are better than Mike McCarthy. On the grounds that I believe they get the most out of their players and maximize the players development.

Bill Bellichick
Andy Reid

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#28

I don't judge MM by his regular season record. I've listened to the guy since the day he was named, HC. It's my honest opinion that he's not very bright. More of a try hard type. No Holmgren who was very bright. Sherman was smarter than MM but Shermy wasn't tough or confident.

How many times have you said over the years during a game... Wow...That was a great coaching move vs. the other way around? I don't watch that many Pats games vs Packers but when I do I usually find myself thinking man Belichick is smart. It's very rare to not get or 2nd guess Belichick when you watch him work and it's not based on reputation. Bill is smart. Mike is not. MM is a shrinking violet in big moments. Bill is an asset. They're so different it's not comparable.

Now, MM beat Bill last time out at Lambeau. Bill gave his typical deference to his opponent which is part of his psychology. MM is a failed first year psych student and Bill is Sigmund Freud. Sucks having someone you just don't feel that confident in running your team. I'm glad you're content but you tell me all the time how I don't understand football.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

8 years ago

#29

I'm glad you're content but you tell me all the time how I don't understand football.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

There you go with your hyperbolic garbage again. [whead]

As I said after the 2014 season ended. I wouldn't have been upset if Mike McCarthy and the Green Bay Packers parted ways after 2014. I do think McCarthy is a good coach, but just felt then that it was the right time to move on.

I know, I know, you wanted him gone ten years before that, blah blah, you're so smart!! Blah blah. I get it. You know everything and anything other than 16 - 0 without shutting every team out in the playoffs is DISMAL. I truly enjoy your outside of the box thinking, but just how absolutely obtuse you are makes debating with you so pointless. You neverread to understand, but rather you read to respond.

The fact that I continue to reply to you shows how stupid I am. [smh]

musccy
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#30

I disagree with MM not being smart. I think he's pretty good at looking for ways to be innovative with match ups and exploiting the versatility of players on offense.

His knock is the playoffs. The team has only been out of two games (Giants '11, San Fran '12). I don't think he gets enough credit for the team playing toe-to-toe with teams who many thought were superior (Arizona 2016 with 3 back up WRs in the game...San Fran at home 2013).

I get they blew an 18 point lead Sunday, but if AR leads Davante outside, that game is probably over with a quarter to go. If Julius doesn't tell Morgan to kneel in Seattle, he may still be running through the Dakotas right now.

I'm not trying to apologize for MM. I just feel he does a better job than we give him credit for.

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