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Zero2Cool
7 years ago

People still commit murder although it's not legal. Those who want to murder are going to murder. Based on this logically bereft argument that drugs should be legal because people are still going to do them should we then legalize murder?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Even if murdering was legal, I wouldn't do it.

What's this topic about anyway?

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uffda udfa
7 years ago

Even if murdering was legal, I wouldn't do it.

What's this topic about anyway?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Prostitution? :)

U might not but who knows who would? Get some road rage and think...Hey, I can kill the guy. Some will. It's a morally bankrupt society.

It went sideways long before I responded to those comments that had nothing to do with Sam being charged

Pretty clear we've got some pot heads commenting about their "right" to get high. In Texas people receive the charge POM < 2oz.... It happens multiple times a day every day. Our society is spiraling while those sending it down the crapper think it's due to their enlightenment. Such a destructive way to think.


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Zero2Cool
7 years ago

U might not but who knows who would?Get some road rage and think...Hey, I can kill the guy. Some will. It's a morally bankrupt society.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I wouldn't ever want to take someones life. If it were legal to knock someones face around a few times, yes, I would have done that a dozen or so times. Probably been on the receiving end a time or two as well. Truthfully, that'd probably make us respect one another more if we didn't have so many pussy protecting laws.
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uffda udfa
7 years ago

I wouldn't ever want to take someones life. If it were legal to knock someones face around a few times, yes, I would have done that a dozen or so times. Probably been on the receiving end a time or two as well. Truthfully, that'd probably make us respect one another more if we didn't have so many pussy protecting laws.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



You're for a violence enabled (legally) society? I know for a fact some would've tried to beat me. I've been enraged before wanting to bust someone in the face. It wasn't the law that stopped me. It was my faith.

In fact, I was invited to fight just today. An extremely rare occurrence but interesting considering the written Convo.

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steveishere
7 years ago

You're right. They haven't. This is the kind of argument that grates me to no end.

People still commit murder although it's not legal. Those who want to murder are going to murder. Based on this logically bereft argument that drugs should be legal because people are still going to do them should we then legalize murder? The fact that we have a morally bankrupt society that wants to go through life high doesn't mean it should be enabled. I don't want to deal with drunk and high people out wandering the streets. We have public intoxication laws to protect from that.

Personally, I'll never understand what drives a person to want to get drunk or high. Life might suck but deal with it. I never meant to imply having a glass of bourbon meant you weren't. We all know the difference between someone who drinks to get buzzed or drunk vs. someone who just enjoys it. I would argue that if you took the buzz angle away from alcohol close to 100% would stop consuming it. Non alcoholic beverages only sell to recovering alcoholics and those who don't drink. Those who drink are seeking some form of mood alteration and that fits with escaping from life's ugliness.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I mean I don't know about legal vs not legal or whatever but I think we should treat drug abuse and addiction more like a public health issue instead of so heavily criminalizing it and I don't really see how throwing someone into our prison system or even in jail for having some dope makes a better person for society than if you had just let them have their dope and do their thing and again just legalizing marijuana for example would take a TON of money and power out of the hands of cartels and dealers and such.
DoddPower
7 years ago
uffda is a big government guy, obviously. We need MORE laws, MORE government intrusion because we're all too stupid to responsibly manage ourselves (but somehow the corrupt government is better suited?)! Save us big daddy government, for we would be lost without you! Please tax me more so that you can protect me from pot!
uffda udfa
7 years ago
It is a public health issue so why are we making it more available? That's senseless.

Drugs have no place in a moral society. Not sure alcohol does. We have the crisis we have due to availability and legality. Humans are no match for drugs and alcohol. How many lives and relationships have been destroyed by them? It's a choice but a deal with the devil for all who make it. It adds nothing good to anyone's life it just takes but gosh darn it... I have the right to choose even though most are incapable of control or choosing wisely. There is not a second of regret that I never tried drugs and alcohol but I guarantee there are billions who have who regret it.
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uffda udfa
7 years ago

uffda is a big government guy, obviously. We need MORE laws, MORE government intrusion because we're all too stupid to responsibly manage ourselves (but somehow the corrupt government is better suited?)! Save us big daddy government, for we would be lost without you! Please tax me more so that you can protect me from pot!

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Nope. Not a liberal. Drug use is rampant and an issue that needs to be taken seriously. There's always going to be druggies you just don't let them have MORE access as opposed to less. That's idiotic.

I do think many people DO need help running their lives but I'm against implementation. Drugs are very different. A person's personal use is NEVER limited to personal. Drug use has a very negative ripple effect and that can't be disputed. Your use affects others and that needs to be mitigated as it's terribly destructive on society cumulatively speaking beyond your own little circle.

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beast
7 years ago

Even if murdering was legal, I wouldn't do it.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Tell that to the mother of the spider you stomped on last week. ...




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7 years ago
A. First, a question: *When* does the state (used here in the broad sense of "any government," not just in the sense of "Wisconsin"; "Iowa"; etc. government) "need" to prohibit/restrict use of a substance? (Circle all that you agree with.)

1. To maintain social order (a/k/a the "police power" to "protect public health and safety."
2. A need for tax revenue.
3. To protect children and others deemed "not legally competent" to make decisions about use.
4. To protect adults against themselves.
5. Other (please specify): ____________________

B. Second, a comment: When does the state have the power to act? Answer: Effectively, any of the above, given that they have a monopoly over the legal use of force to enforce threats.

C. Third, another question: When is it morally legitimate for the state to exercise that power in the context of prohibiting/restricting the use of a particular substance?

D. Fourth, discuss.


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