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Zero2Cool
8 years ago
After Jeff Janis' game against Arizona, many were griping that it was proof Janis should have been playing more and earlier. In fact, Janis game against the Cardinals was a display more of the progress made than unused greatness. Some folks simply refuse to understand this.

At the combine last week, one coach described Janis’ experience level coming into the NFL like this: In college at Saginaw Valley State, Janis was told to run deep and out-jump everyone. Developing Janis into a precise route-runner will be one of receivers coach Luke Getsy’s biggest challenges.

“[Janis had] particularly a difficult time catching the ball over his shoulder,” McCarthy said. “He kind of has a stiffness there, and Luke, he took that on about Week 7 there after the bye week, and you could see him improve. He just needs things like that. You only get so much time with your players compared to prior years, but I’m hoping he takes another big step.”


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nerdmann
8 years ago
We called that at just about the same time. It was pretty obvious from watching the games.

He also needs to run more precise routes, cut them off at the proper angle, so that the ball will be accurately thrown. Often the QB will release the ball before the WR breaks, so if he cuts at a 20 degree angle, and he's supposed to cut at a 45 degree angle, the ball is going to be way off.

I do think Janis WANTS to learn, he put in alot of effort on ST. He could get there.
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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

We called that at just about the same time. It was pretty obvious from watching the games.

He also needs to run more precise routes, cut them off at the proper angle, so that the ball will be accurately thrown. Often the QB will release the ball before the WR breaks, so if he cuts at a 20 degree angle, and he's supposed to cut at a 45 degree angle, the ball is going to be way off.

I do think Janis WANTS to learn, he put in alot of effort on ST. He could get there.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



For comparison sake. Brett Favre was not much of a timing guy. Favre was a overpowering rocket arm that when he seen a window, he'd rifle it in there.

The reason teams practice so much is because a lot of routes are timing. As you said, the quarterback is throwing it to a SPOT he expects the WR to be (just as they practiced) and if that WR runs a shallow dig in the game when he's ran it sharp in practice, it will make the quarterback look like he's "off". That's something a lot of viewing folks do not understand about playing quarterback.
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Cheesey
8 years ago
Great point, Kevin!
I didn't really think of it that way.
I hope Janis can catch onto this, and become a big part of the offense.
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blueleopard
8 years ago
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000385393/Q2-Scott-Tolzien-throws-33-yard-touchdown-pass-to-Jeff-Janis 

Is this not over-the-shoulder?

Honestly if the coaching staff thought he wasn't good enough, he woudn't be on the roster.
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nerdmann
8 years ago

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000385393/Q2-Scott-Tolzien-throws-33-yard-touchdown-pass-to-Jeff-Janis

Is this not over-the-shoulder?

Honestly if the coaching staff thought he wasn't good enough, he woudn't be on the roster.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



FALSE. He is a project. They are giving him time to develop. He's good enough to make the roster, not good enough to start.

That's a pretty decent over the shoulder catch, however he was NOT doing that consistently earlier in the season. Jones had a problem with those over the shoulder catches back a few years ago too, not quite as bad, but he got over it. Janis seems to be working through it as well.

Hopefully his route running will also develop.
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Barfarn
8 years ago
Lou Brock played left field because he had trouble tracking the deep ball over his head; but when he was in front of the ball was hit at him, he was as good as any at tracking it. This is Janis’ problem. The 2 long throws he caught v. AZ he was barely moving, he was able to basically square up and go get the ball, which he did brilliantly. But his over the shoulder problems were not solved by week 7 as Mike McCarthy suggests in the article. In week 13, at Detroit at 7:53 1st Q, Janis looked liked like one of Jerry’s kids trying to run under a ball deep on left sideline. He might be like Lou Brock, he will probably never develop proficiency in this area if this is all he can do 1.75 years into his pro career. Incidentally, this was a knock some scouts put on Montgomery, we’ll need to see how he responds.

Blue Leopard’s video does seem to contradict this; of course you’re only going to get highlight video of a catch. But this throw was not real deep or high and Janis has an angle to view the ball in, as it was thrown from within a yard of right hash to half way between the left numbers and sideline.

Compare Davante at 8:50 4th Q in T-giving game v Bears and Janis 2:10 2nd Q of AZ playoff game. Each route was design to pressure the CB deep and to stop on 2.5 lines and curl out. Adams got 3 yards of separation on the break and Janis only got 1 yard as Janis just doesn’t have “the feel” of when to make his false moves and he doesn’t sell his false moves very well. Also, Janis got caught a little too close to sideline giving Aaron Rodgers a smaller window to throw.

Even when Janis does run his route correctly he is like a tone deaf violin player that is technically running his bow over the strings correctly; as opposed to Anquin Boldin who runs his routes with a touch and feel that compares to making his violin sound much more full and rich as if being played by Itzhak Perlman.

Janis has great value on STs and as he continues to learn to run routes correctly and better [IMO he’s still ascending] he is/will be a serviceable as a #5/#4. He is/will be the Jarrett Bush of WRs.
nerdmann
8 years ago
I think that depth perception can be learned.

We used to play softball during gym class in high school. The softball pops off the bat and flies ALOT differently than a baseball. So after school we'd report to the baseball team, and we'd be running deep for fly balls that would always fall way down in front of us.

We had to re-adjust. Hopefully Janis can do something similar, perhaps through repetitions with Aaron's throws. I think he can learn that.
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steveishere
8 years ago
The guy can get behind fast DBs on the sideline, he can catch slants, he can win a jump ball over Patrick fricken Peterson. Yeah he has his his warts but it's ridiculous that the coaching staff couldn't find any way to make use of him when the entire offense was stuck in the mud most of the season, especially when you consider all the warts the guys they were using instead have anyways. With how bad the offense was last year it's just stubborn stupidity to keep rolling with the same set game after game after game. I lost a lot of respect I had for McCarthy as an offensive coach last year. I hope they can get things right for next season but right now I'm not feeling all that confident.
nerdmann
8 years ago

The guy can get behind fast DBs on the sideline, he can catch slants, he can win a jump ball over Patrick fricken Peterson. Yeah he has his his warts but it's ridiculous that the coaching staff couldn't find any way to make use of him when the entire offense was stuck in the mud most of the season, especially when you consider all the warts the guys they were using instead have anyways. With how bad the offense was last year it's just stubborn stupidity to keep rolling with the same set game after game after game. I lost a lot of respect I had for McCarthy as an offensive coach last year. I hope they can get things right for next season but right now I'm not feeling all that confident.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



They did try to get him reps, he just didn't produce.

Janis came on in the last game of the year, actually got it done for the most part. But he did get opportunities earlier, he just didn't take advantage of them.

Then again everyone was dropping the ball during those games. That's why I put it to some extent on Aaron as well.

Mike does need to get better at player deployment though. Tretter should have been at LT earlier. Jayrone Elliot should get some opportunities. Oh yeah, and his fear-based game management needs to stop costing us the playoffs every damn year.
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