DakotaT
8 years ago


Mike does need to get better at player deployment though. Tretter should have been at LT earlier. Jayrone Elliot should get some opportunities. Oh yeah, and his fear-based game management needs to stop costing us the playoffs every damn year.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



You can forget Tretter at LT, because he is just not big enough and never will be. He would wear down and be exposed. If Tretter isn't better than Lindsley at center, then his position is 6th olineman backing up everybody.

Now, if you want to bring in a better LT and move Bahktiari over to RT, I'd be all for that. Bulaga can't stay healthy for whatever reason. Some players are just that way, and we've had our share.
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steveishere
8 years ago

They did try to get him reps, he just didn't produce.

Janis came on in the last game of the year, actually got it done for the most part. But he did get opportunities earlier, he just didn't take advantage of them.

Then again everyone was dropping the ball during those games. That's why I put it to some extent on Aaron as well.

Mike does need to get better at player deployment though. Tretter should have been at LT earlier. Jayrone Elliot should get some opportunities. Oh yeah, and his fear-based game management needs to stop costing us the playoffs every damn year.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



No they really didn't. Putting a WR in there cold for 5-10 of 50 or so plays when someone else is getting a breather or gets hurt is not giving them an opportunity. Most of our games had 60+ offensive snaps (actually all but 2). Janis got at least 20 snaps in 2 of those games. 10 games single-digit or 0 snaps. Saying they "tried" to get him reps is a joke and a stretch at best, then consider how little the other guys were getting out of their 60ish snaps and tell me about needing to "take advantage".

Look I get that Janis had his issues with being raw but I see it as an absolute failure on McCarthys part to not be able to fit him into the offense when the players he used game after game were doing nothing. You can throw Abbrederis in there as well. I'm not even saying the shitty offense was ALL McCarthys fault but on this particular issue he failed miserably last year. The best coaches find ways to maneuver their scheme around their players and make use of their talents. McCarthy didn't even try.
DakotaT
8 years ago



Look I get that Janis had his issues with being raw but I see it as an absolute failure on McCarthys part to not be able to fit him into the offense when the players he used game after game were doing nothing. You can throw Abbrederis in there as well. I'm not even saying the shitty offense was ALL McCarthys fault but on this particular issue he failed miserably last year. The best coaches find ways to maneuver their scheme around their players and make use of their talents. McCarthy didn't even try.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Why don't you throw all the James Jones lovers under the bus too. Some of us kept saying the guy was too slow and couldn't get open, even before we signed him. But since he caught some big passes, he was the Savior. And there are still people in this forum that want him retained. Unbelievable.

Adams could be released as well. The guy either has a vision problem, or he needs to use stickem.
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steveishere
8 years ago

Why don't you throw all the James Jones lovers under the bus too. Some of us kept saying the guy was too slow and couldn't get open, even before we signed him. But since he caught some big passes, he was the Savior. And there are still people in this forum that want him retained. Unbelievable.

Adams could be released as well. The guy either has a vision problem, or he needs to use stickem.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Jones can go. We got our moneys worth out of him last year though. I'm not going to hate on the guy for that. He was our best option on the street after Jordy went down and it wasn't bad to have him on the roster but he should have had his snaps eaten into when the offense started bottoming out. Id hang onto Adams because I think his ankle injury impacted him a lot. The reason I think that is because he moved 10x better as a rookie. Adams was never a straight speed burner but he still was a good overall athlete and last year he looked like a NT running routes. If he came into the league like that it would be one thing but he had some quickness and wiggle as a rookie. I wouldn't give him a long leash next year but he's worth bringing back.
DakotaT
8 years ago

Jones can go. We got our moneys worth out of him last year though. I'm not going to hate on the guy for that.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Pointing out a player's flaws is not hating on a guy. Richard Rogers is as slow as a professional athlete gets, but that doesn't mean anybody hates him, it means we can and should be looking for an upgrade. Nobody hated Hawk either, just knew all of his limitations and knew he needed to be replaced. But for some foolish reason, people who posts in this forum become personally invested in some of these guys. At the end of the day, football is a business, and that includes the Green Bay Packers, albeit their college spirit.
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nerdmann
8 years ago

You can forget Tretter at LT, because he is just not big enough and never will be. He would wear down and be exposed. If Tretter isn't better than Lindsley at center, then his position is 6th olineman backing up everybody.

Now, if you want to bring in a better LT and move Bahktiari over to RT, I'd be all for that. Bulaga can't stay healthy for whatever reason. Some players are just that way, and we've had our share.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Who's calling for him to start?

I think we all know Bakhtiari is the starter, but when he went down, Tretter was what, the 3rd guy they tried there? Mike needs to know his players.
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nerdmann
8 years ago

No they really didn't. Putting a WR in there cold for 5-10 of 50 or so plays when someone else is getting a breather or gets hurt is not giving them an opportunity. Most of our games had 60+ offensive snaps (actually all but 2). Janis got at least 20 snaps in 2 of those games. 10 games single-digit or 0 snaps. Saying they "tried" to get him reps is a joke and a stretch at best, then consider how little the other guys were getting out of their 60ish snaps and tell me about needing to "take advantage".

Look I get that Janis had his issues with being raw but I see it as an absolute failure on McCarthys part to not be able to fit him into the offense when the players he used game after game were doing nothing. You can throw Abbrederis in there as well. I'm not even saying the shitty offense was ALL McCarthys fault but on this particular issue he failed miserably last year. The best coaches find ways to maneuver their scheme around their players and make use of their talents. McCarthy didn't even try.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



How many games do you want to give him if he's not producing?

Sure, the other guys all had plenty of drops too, but the difference is, they've actually proven they could do it before. Not only that, they know where they're supposed to be on any given route.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
nerdmann
8 years ago

Why don't you throw all the James Jones lovers under the bus too. Some of us kept saying the guy was too slow and couldn't get open, even before we signed him. But since he caught some big passes, he was the Savior. And there are still people in this forum that want him retained. Unbelievable.

Adams could be released as well. The guy either has a vision problem, or he needs to use stickem.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I doubt we make the playoffs without Jones. He was clutch in the first few games. Turns out we needed those.

Sure he didn't set the world on fire for much of the season, but is that due to our QB or to the WRs?
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steveishere
8 years ago

How many games do you want to give him if he's not producing?

Sure, the other guys all had plenty of drops too, but the difference is, they've actually proven they could do it before. Not only that, they know where they're supposed to be on any given route.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



More than 0. The other guys didn't just have drops they had game after game of drops, not getting open often and all around terrible production. I don't care if other guys proved they could have a 500 yard game before if the offense goes weeks without being able to move the ball you have to try and use someone else.
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