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http://www.nbcsports.com/video/mike-mccarthy-hot-seat-after-another-green-bay-packers-playoff-failure 

--- How interesting to see a national voice with a bit more objectivity than Packers fans themselves lays out some harsh truth of the failure in Green Bay under MM and TT.

Couldn't agree with him more than I do. I would say it isn't next year he should be on the hot seat it should've started before this season. One more failure and hopefully he's gone. Too bad Aaron will be 34 by then and perhaps it'll be too late to realize what should've been realized by now.
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9 years ago
I'm not one to have jumped quickly on the fire MM bandwagon, but I think it's time. Kind of how Dungy was fired from Tampa Bay - he couldn't get them over the hump. Even with Manning, they only won one Super Bowl. I just don't think Mike is the guy to get it done and he's had 10 years to prove it. One Super Bowl, with the talent we have/had is not enough.
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Is this what I sound like when i say get rid of Rodgers?😂 😂

MM is BY FAR the best coach we've had [Maybe Lombardi is an exception].

Holmgren spent 10 years in Seattle went to POs 6 years; but only had 3 legit playoff teams and only won 4 PO games. He had 3 teams go to POs with 9-7 records from a despicably weak division.

MM's development of the youngsters and taking a late 1st rnd QB and molding him into a HOFer cannot even be duplicated by Belichek. His game plans for AZ and Seattle last year were brilliant.

Good thing: MM is 100% safe until Murphy or Ted Thompson issue a vote of confidence.
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Is this what I sound like when i say get rid of Rodgers?😂 😂

Mike McCarthy is BY FAR the best coach we've had [Maybe Lombardi is an exception].

Holmgren spent 10 years in Seattle went to POs 6 years; but only had 3 legit playoff teams and only won 4 PO games. He had 3 teams go to POs with 9-7 records from a despicably weak division.

MM's development of the youngsters and taking a late 1st rnd QB and molding him into a HOFer cannot even be duplicated by Belichek. His game plans for AZ and Seattle last year were brilliant.

Good thing: Mike McCarthy is 100% safe until Murphy or Ted Thompson issue a vote of confidence.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



Yes. 😎

How did ol' Billy B do in Cleveland before joining the Patriots. Fired from the Cleveland Browns.

Okay... We've got one intelligent voice saying it's not the coaching. That leaves our GM or our players at fault for our 5 years in a row of playoff failure.





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Yes. 😎

How did ol' Billy B do in Cleveland before joining the Patriots. Fired from the Cleveland Browns.

Okay... We've got one intelligent voice saying it's not the coaching. That leaves our GM or our players at fault for our 5 years in a row of playoff failure.




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uffda I had to check your facts to find out about Billy B, and he was not fired from the Browns. He was fired when they moved to Baltimore and started a new team. And your right look what MM did with a 1st round qb that could have easily been picked #1 but dropped. Billy only took a 6th round qb and made him into a sure fire HOFer 😝 BTW his time in Cleveland brought a playoff team to them. Damn can't we get this guy in Green Bay lol

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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9 years ago
He should be on the hot seat. This teams offense is his system and it became one of the worst in the nfl for most of the year. He stubbornly kept saying the players just need to play better when it was clear they couldn't. He had no answer to whatever was wrong and I'm worried about next year even though Jordy is coming back unless something gets changed scheme wise. I think teams figured out mikes offense and he doesn't know what to do about it
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9 years ago
For me, he's been on the hot seat since the wild card loss vs the 49ers. I said here last year in the middle of season that he should earn his extension in the playoffs and not before. If he's not going now, then the coaching staff needs more new blood than two position coaches.
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He should be on the hot seat. This teams offense is his system and it became one of the worst in the nfl for most of the year. He stubbornly kept saying the players just need to play better when it was clear they couldn't. He had no answer to whatever was wrong and I'm worried about next year even though Jordy is coming back unless something gets changed scheme wise. I think teams figured out mikes offense and he doesn't know what to do about it

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I gotta believe he's panicked by this and is even more so now that Joe Philbin has no chance of coming back to help rescue him. Who is he going to get to help him as an OC? He's going to be calling plays so what OC wants to be here in some support role. Sherman Lewis can attest that ain't good for your future upward mobility being an OC who doesn't call plays. Without fresh blood I think history will repeat itself and many here expecting the return of Jordy to be a panacea will be left scratching their heads and all of a sudden finding they happen to agree with getting someone else in here.

If this org just shuffles the deck with coaches it's really doesn't bode well for next season with or without Jordy. This offense was stymied by good defenses for years and once you take away our deep game we're a pretty below average offense. This is why long before this season I pined for SPEED, SPEED, SPEED. That is one of the main reasons I bang the Janis drum so hard. He's the one guy who can change games with it. We need more speed. I'm dying to see if our GM has actually gotten through his skull that we need to improve our team speed at WR, TE and RB? If he doesn't get it, now, then he never will.

We can talk all day about coaching records and the like but when a coach is a great coach it's always funny to note the type of players he has around him and how they perform when they don't have great QB's. I still think Belichick with Matt Cassell at QB is the best validation of how great that organization actually is top to bottom coaching on down to the players.



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9 years ago
Right now only way Mike is on the Hot Seat, is if Ted is on the Hot Seat. Because at right now, only way Mike is leaving is if new GM comes in and "brings in their guys".

I think this was a very bad year for Mike. It showed he as trouble adjusting. Back in 2010 most of the injuries were to the defense so Mike didn't have that much adjustment, only Finley and having the WR corp made it so the offense really didn't need to change. This year he didn't adjust when players got hurt, and that is what Great coaches do.

I do lay more blame on Ted though for not being able to get all the way again. I love the draft and develop approach, but that can only take you so far. Drafting the Best players regardless of position gets you good players, but it can't fill every position because the odds of the best player matching your biggest needs is not very good. FA is where you can fill needs. All we are doing now is drafting and developing to keep the status quo.
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Right now only way Mike is on the Hot Seat, is if Ted is on the Hot Seat. Because at right now, only way Mike is leaving is if new GM comes in and "brings in their guys".

I think this was a very bad year for Mike. It showed he as trouble adjusting. Back in 2010 most of the injuries were to the defense so Mike didn't have that much adjustment, only Finley and having the WR corp made it so the offense really didn't need to change. This year he didn't adjust when players got hurt, and that is what Great coaches do.

I do lay more blame on Ted though for not being able to get all the way again. I love the draft and develop approach, but that can only take you so far. Drafting the Best players regardless of position gets you good players, but it can't fill every position because the odds of the best player matching your biggest needs is not very good. FA is where you can fill needs. All we are doing now is drafting and developing to keep the status quo.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Ted gave us good enough players to advance beyond where we went this year AND last year.

Mike's system is good and his QB development is great, but he goes into a shell late in games and "plays not to lose." Which causes him to lose.

He seems to have a psychological block which prevents him from dominating lesser opponents.
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9 years ago
First, would this thread be here if Randall covers Fitz in OT and pic 6s for the packer win?

Second, MM's offense reminds me of the packer Sweep: even if ya know its coming, if executed ya cant stop it unless you over play. Then when you over play Starr hits Dowler, Dale, Mcgee or Kramer on the backside.

The design of MM's plays makes it impossible for a D to cover 3-4 or 5 receivers; someone is always open because the receivers are adjusting their routes based on how the D lines up, matches up AND reacts.

Just one "CRUNCH TIME "example: 3rd and 5 w/ 2:40 left in 4th, down by 4. Abby and Janis cross w/ Janis giving a rub and continuing. This play cant be stopped. Janis was WIDE OPEN, by 3 yards; but AR throws to Abby.

Next, perhaps the best CB in game, on an aged min salary WR, on 4th and 5 for the game. Jones separates from Peterson for easy pitch and catch first; but Rodgers bounces the ball in. It is the route Peterson surely most expected, yet Jones was OPEN by a yard. Oh and Abby and Janis cross on left again, this time Abbey with the rub and Janis was again WIDE OPEN crossing the field by 5 yards this time!!!! [Note: the game is littered w/ these examples].

With WR's 1-4 out and WR's #5-6-7 playing against one of the better secondaries; MM designs and calls in crunch time 2 plays back to back that are unstoppable if executed. Ten guys execute flawlessly; the QB dont. And ya dont need an MVP QB to operate this offense, McCown could AND WOULD have made both these completions.

And just like in Seattle last year and AZ this year ON THE ROAD: our DL beat their OL; Our OL beat their DL; we won the turnover battle and special teams was uneventful this year [BTW, what about Mr. invisible, that long snapper, a perfect snap on that Crosby extra point, the kid had ice water in veins]. No NFL team loses under these conditions.

This is why MM will NEVER be fired, he is the greatest Offensive mind in the game today and his ability to prepare his teams for playoff games is unmatched except maybe for Belichek. I keep telling you guys where the problem is [Hint: Consistent QB play].

Also be aware that during the season MM holds back; saving unscouted looks for the late season and playoffs.

That said, one thing to consider. MM's offense is the most complicated offense I know of in the NFL, so if practice time is reduced, it might harm GB's offense more than others. The practice rules changed, I believe after 2010. But, because there has been relatively little turnover on the offense, the lack of practice time might now only be manifesting itself. But, its impossible to tell because of the huge decline in AR's performance. If limited practice time is affecting the ability of the youngster to assimilate, which I do not believe is the case, then something will need to be done with the offense.

You cant judge the offense game plan based on the outcome unless you first make certain everyone is executing- Confucious the XXXII, somewhere in Tennessee.
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9 years ago

First, would this thread be here if Randall covers Fitz in OT and pic 6s for the packer win?

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 


The Packers could go 19 - 0 shutting out every opponent on the way 70 - 0 and the same people accepting nothing less than Mike McCarthy's termination now, would hold the same position.

I'm convinced of that.

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The Packers could go 19 - 0 shutting out every opponent on the way 70 - 0 and the same people accepting nothing less than Mike McCarthy's termination now, would hold the same position.

I'm convinced of that.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



You on your menstrual cycle again? 😝

Jesus, all I want is hardware in the trophy case before our current hall of fame quarterback can't play anymore. MM is not getting that done. How many built in excuses does he and Ted Thompson get for the 16-17 campaign?
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The Packers could go 19 - 0 shutting out every opponent on the way 70 - 0 and the same people accepting nothing less than Mike McCarthy's termination now, would hold the same position.

I'm convinced of that.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



If they continued to shit themselves, I would continue to call them out on it, even if they went 19-0.
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9 years ago

The Packers could go 19 - 0 shutting out every opponent on the way 70 - 0 and the same people accepting nothing less than Mike McCarthy's termination now, would hold the same position.

I'm convinced of that.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



No, not from me. If those were the results we put up, I wouldn't complain. I'm usually pretty silent, but I felt it was time to write out my thoughts. Perhaps as Barfan says, it's personnel not executing. Either way, there needs to be a change. If our coach can't get consistent play out his all-world QB, then maybe it's time for SOME sort of change.
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This is why Mike McCarthy will NEVER be fired, he is the greatest Offensive mind in the game today and his ability to prepare his teams for playoff games is unmatched except maybe for Belichek. I keep telling you guys where the problem is [Hint: Consistent QB play].

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I couldn't even begin to respond to this. Your basis for this is that Billy B has blown smoke up MM's arse about how great he is and you take that as truth and not hyperbole gamesmanship? The greatest offensive mind in the game does NOT have an offense like this one. No way...no how.

Most of the time you come across as intelligent and somewhat objective but sometimes you go full on koolaid mode. Sugar? Yes, please. This is definitely one of those times. Richard Rodgers, the defense, Davante Adams, Aaron Rodgers, Mike McCarthy. I'm not sure what in the world you're seeing. Although, I do happen to agree there were some very odd issues with Aaron this year as evidenced by his deplorable body language.


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steveishere
9 years ago

You on your menstrual cycle again? 😝

Jesus, all I want is hardware in the trophy case before our current hall of fame quarterback can't play anymore. Mike McCarthy is not getting that done. How many built in excuses does he and Ted Thompson get for the 16-17 campaign?

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"HOF QB" was in the same boat as them this year for not getting it done. Unless he gets his own shit together he's the one wasting the "HOF QBs" career. How many excuses are you gonna give him.
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9 years ago

The Packers could go 19 - 0 shutting out every opponent on the way 70 - 0 and the same people accepting nothing less than Mike McCarthy's termination now, would hold the same position.

I'm convinced of that.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Poor Mike.

In some people's minds, he gets blamed for losing 5 playoff games on the final play of the game and for going 1-9 in OT games as if coaching matters in tight contests rather than it all being a simple matter of bad luck. I mean look at the NFC Championship game in Seattle last year. There was nothing MM could have done to secure a victory, nothing.

Others constantly announce that MM is the only coach to have had surefire hall of famers at QB every year he has been in the league as if that is some huge advantage. Yeah right, like coaches should be expected to be successful just because they have one of the better players at the most important position in the league year in and year out.

And how can the Green & Gold faithful overlook the fact MM won a Super Bowl? Let me repeat, we won the Super Bowl in 2010. Time to break out the game tape and Super Bowl 45 paraphernalia, because re-living a Lombardi from 5 years ago never gets old.

Do Packer fans really expect a coach to get to more than 1 Super Bowl in a decade? Sheesh.

Those who dare question MM (and TT's) greatness are just spoiled fans and should go root for teams like the Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, Giants and depending upon Sunday's outcomes the Cardinals & Broncos, you know teams that have been to the Super Bowl more than once since MM started coaching in Green Bay.
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Poor Mike.

In some people's minds, he gets blamed for losing 5 playoff games on the final play of the game and for going 1-9 in OT games as if coaching matters in tight contests rather than it all being a simple matter of bad luck. I mean look at the NFC Championship game in Seattle last year. There was nothing Mike McCarthy could have done to secure a victory, nothing.

Others constantly announce that Mike McCarthy is the only coach to have had surefire hall of famers at QB every year he has been in the league as if that is some huge advantage. Yeah right, like coaches should be expected to be successful just because they have one of the better players at the most important position in the league year in and year out.

And how can the Green & Gold faithful overlook the fact Mike McCarthy won a Super Bowl? Let me repeat, we won the Super Bowl in 2010. Time to break out the game tape and Super Bowl 45 paraphernalia, because re-living a Lombardi from 5 years ago never gets old.

Do Packer fans really expect a coach to get to more than 1 Super Bowl in a decade? Sheesh.

Those who dare question Mike McCarthy (and TT's) greatness are just spoiled fans and should go root for teams like the Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, Giants and depending upon Sunday's outcomes the Cardinals & Broncos, you know teams that have been to the Super Bowl more than once since Mike McCarthy started coaching in Green Bay.

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In fairness, at least Mike KNOWS he's not smart enough to win a chess game. That's why he schemes for "match ups" rather than trying to scheme guys open.

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9 years ago
I think we should hire Jim Harbaugh. That could help both the Packers and Badgers!!! Of course, we would also want to immediately be on the lookout for a new coach as Harbaugh will have worn out his welcome in 2-3 years.😉 🤣
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