Wow, just wow. You have to be joking right? Everything is wrong. Your first sentence claims that the vast majority of this site agrees with you. Disagree.
You claim that Tolzien would have made specific plays in specific situations that Rodgers did not. Complete speculation.
You claim you are not speculating, then try to back that up by providing statistics that are insignificant based on sample size. When I consistently used passer rating as an argument in the previous thread you blew me off. Now that you find 1 half in 1 game that Tolzien produced a passer rating that was 112 its relevant? Aaron Rodgers CAREER passer rating is 105.1. Rodgers has played in 122 NFL games compared to Tolzien's 3. You tell me which is a more relavant statistic. Disagree.
You claim that my opinion is "baseless, factless, and feckless" and then provide ZERO FACTS to argue yours.
Mentioning the fact that Seneca Wallace started a game for the Packers is cruel.
Your either Tolzien himself, related/friends with Tolzien, or crazy.
Originally Posted by: voiceofreason
Wow just wow! The teacher gave you one assignment; read Dostoyevsky’s "The Idiot" and you failed.
I addressed the irrelevant nature of your CAREER [shouting] PR stat. 😂 The infinitely more relevant stat to this discussion was AR’s passer rating for the last 6 weeks. Sure, a career stat can be considered in proper context of potential; but right now, for 6 games, his PR is 76.6 and that is inflated with serious “garbage time stats” racked up in both Det games and v. Car when those teams had supposed insurmountable leads and the D lets up and DC’s play cautiously. When AR is playing in the confines of this offense against a non-prevent D, his PR is around 45-50! These stats are for you; I have shown countless examples that prove AR has just SUCKED [Other threads], the 76 PR rating doesn’t reflect how bad he is, the 45-50 stat does.
Even giving credit for a 76 PR, seasonally adjusted, puts AR at #49 of all QBs and #30 of 32 for qualifying players; AR’s been worse than Manziel, Sanchez and EJ Manuel. And outside of garbage time stats; AR is the worst QB in football by a large margin for 6 games. THE WORST. This is physically impossible, and the gravamen of this drop cant be explained by OL play, WR drops or any other ancillary stuff. AR has a core attitude problem, no other position explains the facts at hand.
Now could Tolzien have amassed a 76.6 PR rating over the last six games? I think he easily would have and there may be legitimate rebuttal; but only a stone-cold dumbshit thinks that answer to this is an unequivocal NO. I’ve evaluated EVERY play Tolzien has snapped. It’s a good resume. The snaps he took in regular season on 40 or so scripted plays are quite impressive when put in context of his time in the system good limited practice. Do you realize how complicated the GB passing system is to learn? Do realize when he was 3rd string, he was QBing scout team simulating playing the opponents game plan each week? I think one with such strong opinions should first understand GB’s system and then learn to evaluate within the system; not blindly use stats.
Sure one needs a large sample to make a statistical evaluation; but talent evaluators nor I use stats to make their evaluations. The Pro evaluates plays; not statistical output. This is what MM means when he says, “STATS are for LOSERS.” Stat output often fails to accurately reflect quality of play; this is why stats only assist in communicating an evaluation, they cannot establish one.
Again, I AM NOT YOU! You need large sample sizes of stats because you use stats to establish your evaluations. I do not need that many because I watch THE GAME. See, like you, on Sunday, I watch GB play on TV. BUT, on Monday, you evaluate the players by reading stats with recollections of the game filtered through the prism of whether we won or lost. I evaluate by watching THE GAME. And this is important: the Hail Mary’s success is one play, it doesn’t change my opinion of how AR performed on his other 66 snaps.
Many who don’t understand the game can’t discuss using reason and football acumen. I again invite you to do so, if you can. But, first please read “The Idiot.” Dostoyevsky brilliantly and artistically establishes the entire list of logical fallacies that people use to protect their emotional/irrational positions. It poignantly demonstrates how people utilize sleight of hand with fact and/or argument and as a last measure desperately berate and use sarcasm rather than address the issues with scholarship and 🏈 acumen.
It's not speculation; If Seneca Wallace's [perfect] efficiency in the system treats your opinions as "cruel;" maybe you should adjust your opinions to comport to the facts. If Wallace can be 5-5, playing in the system; so can Tolzien.
And why can't AR execute scripted plays like he did even early this season [Games 1-6 66 1st points #1 in NFL; last 6 games 23 points, #31]?