yooperfan
9 years ago

I disagree. Give Lacy a BIG hole - which this O Line very seldom does - and Lacy rumbles straight ahead like a buffalo - fairly hard to bring down but not that much for NFL defenders. Otherwise, he often has a hard time getting going when the blocking ain't there - maybe almost half the time, and he isn't much for finding that opening a hole or two over from where the play is called i.e. running into his lineman's butt as I mentioned. Starks - and really a LOT of RBs do find that opening, and often get a LOT farther down field on the occasions when there is a nice hole - as well as the quick cutbacks we saw from Starks - and many other NFL RBs, but very seldom from Lacy.

Sometime in the not too distant future, we will undoubtedly have a big controversy over whether Ted should pay BIG money to keep Lacy. Let me be the first to come out AGAINST that idea. Give us a breakaway threat with moves instead.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 


I agree with this.
I would also be loathe to give Lacy a big money second contract.
I love the guy for his tough hard running style but I would be suspicious of his durability and his ability to continue that into his second contract.

TheKanataThrilla
9 years ago

I agree with this.
I would also be loathe to give Lacy a big money second contract.
I love the guy for his tough hard running style but I would be suspicious of his durability and his ability to continue that into his second contract.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



It would be a tough decision by Ted Thompson as Lacy is so beloved. Few give the effort that Lacy does, I think he is a positive example on this team and something we need more of. I love Lacy and if the money becomes an issue I will wish him the best, but I hope we can find a way to get the best years out of him and let him have a final cash in on some low tier team's dime.
millertime
9 years ago
I actually though Nick Perry looked great. He's an excellent run defender. He just has to improve on his inconsistency.
Barfarn
9 years ago

I disagree with your assessment of the play, Wilson immediately crosses the LOS so a pass is no longer an option Hayward does well leaving the WR because Wilson can't pass but instead of running towards Wilson to tackle him he stays put at his position and as you say does some baby steps to the sides. If Wilson runs towards Hayward with decision the play might be a TD for Seattle, logically he assumed he was going to get downed and just slided in front of Hayward.

You can say Hayward didn't over commit, but I see he was afraid of contact, once again.

I'd give him an A in coverage and an F for fear.

Anyway I really appreciate that you took time to look at the play I'd like to go over many other Hayward plays with you or anyone to decide what kind of player Hayward really is. I think it is an interesting exercise.

Originally Posted by: luigis 



I took another look! Wilson is 3 yrds behind LOS when he tucks the ball and starts to run and Hayward breaks off his coverage almost instantly. When Wilson is 1 yard behind LOS Hayward is almost fully squared to take on Wilson and Kearse is a half yard behind Hayward, but running [do a freeze frame here]. If Wilson stops and throws, Kearse will be 10-15 yards past Hayward before he can recover.

Side thought: When Aaron Rodgers does this, he's always lumbering, trotting, kinda skipping looking downfield ready to throw, until he decides to run. But, if he tucked the ball and ran head down like Wilson, the DBs would be more inclined to leave their men, then Aaron Rodgers could just stop set his feet and throw a TD. I think this would work a few times.

"F for Fear"...😂 quite funny!

Notwithstanding that I believe this play shows Hayward executing near perfect technique, I do know what you're talking about Luis. I dont know that I'd express it as "fear;" I do think its safe to say Hayward is not a "hitter" and maybe go so far as to say he avoids as much contact as he can; but this is not a bad thing and it may be what he's told to do. Like telling the QBs to get some yards; but get yer a$$ down BEFORE you get hit!

Example: Assuming on this play, Hayward knew there was help behind him and he aggressively charged to make the tackle, he'd probably try to do an ankle nab where Tramon would lower his shoulder and really hit 'em. Sometimes I wished Tramon was more of an ankle nabber, his hitting caused him to be injured alot [Tramon-was a tough dude, the guy played through injuries and pain like few others] and this affected his play negatively. But compared to Tramon, Hayward is a wisp of a man. If Hayward "laid the wood" on Lynch, he'd look like the Scarecrow on the Wizard of Oz after those flying monkeys tore him apart. 😂 To stay healthy, Hayward has to play the way he's playing.
Barfarn
9 years ago

I actually though Nick Perry looked great. He's an excellent run defender. He just has to improve on his inconsistency.

Originally Posted by: millertime 



Yes, Millertime! There was one play were he blew contain; but he tackled Wilson twice in the open field. There may not be another OLB or DE that can say that.

PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago

I disagree. Give Lacy a BIG hole - which this O Line very seldom does - and Lacy rumbles straight ahead like a buffalo - fairly hard to bring down but not that much for NFL defenders. Otherwise, he often has a hard time getting going when the blocking ain't there - maybe almost half the time, and he isn't much for finding that opening a hole or two over from where the play is called i.e. running into his lineman's butt as I mentioned. Starks - and really a LOT of RBs do find that opening, and often get a LOT farther down field on the occasions when there is a nice hole - as well as the quick cutbacks we saw from Starks - and many other NFL RBs, but very seldom from Lacy.

Sometime in the not too distant future, we will undoubtedly have a big controversy over whether Ted should pay BIG money to keep Lacy. Let me be the first to come out AGAINST that idea. Give us a breakaway threat with moves instead.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



The stats don't agree with you. Both lacy and starks over the past few season are averaging close to the same about 4.5 ypc. So if Starks makes more out of the occasions when there is a big hole, that means he is getting less when their isn't a big hole which happens more often.

Like I stated, Starks does have more speed and quickness and can get more when there is room. but lacy gets more when their isn't.
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Poppa San
9 years ago

I actually though Nick Perry looked great. He's an excellent run defender. He just has to improve on his inconsistency.

Originally Posted by: millertime 


I don't think he can get much better at his inconsistency.  He's improved it almost to the point of having no equals.  Now if he'd only work on being more consistent with the same verve.


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sschind
9 years ago


I don't think he can get much better at his inconsistency.  He's improved it almost to the point of having no equals.  Now if he'd only work on being more consistent with the same verve.

Originally Posted by: Poppa San 



So what you are really saying is that he has become very consistent at being inconsistent and he should strive to be more inconsistently inconsistent?

Oh hell, lets just say he needs to be better more often.
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