- Hayward: I know several people like him but I would like to sit down with them and watch every snap Hayward has played for us, it is crystal clear to me that he is afraid of contact. There's a Wilson run where Hayward was in front of him and tried to avoid tackling him! I'm not talking about missing a tackle I'm talking about trying not to tackle at all!. Wilson, for whatever reason, went down and Hayward carefully touched him to put it down by contact. Please watch the play it is sad and funny at the same time.

Originally Posted by: luigis 

So Wilson went down and Hayward avoiding piling into him and drawing a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Yeah I hate it when players do that too. Nail the guy and give up the yards who cares.

Originally Posted by: sschind 

I never said that. But please watch the play, Wilson carries the ball and Hayward backpedals instead of running towards him to tackle. If you see the play you will realize Wilson would have probably been able to run over Hayward but he instinctively went down.

Originally Posted by: luigis 

I'm sure I will get an ass-kickin' for saying this, but I like Starks/a Starks type runner BETTER than Lacy/a Lacy type runner. Find a crease and get 5 instead of running into the butt of your O Lineman/get into the open and get 30 or 35 instead of get into the open and get 10 or 15.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

Hayward: I know several people like him but I would like to sit down with them and watch every snap Hayward has played for us, it is crystal clear to me that he is afraid of contact. There's a Wilson run where Hayward was in front of him and tried to avoid tackling him! I'm not talking about missing a tackle I'm talking about trying not to tackle at all!. Wilson, for whatever reason, went down and Hayward carefully touched him to put it down by contact. Please watch the play it is sad and funny at the same time.

Originally Posted by: luigis 

I suspect Hayward gets an F for coverage and an A for run support on this play.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 

Lacy will get more tough yards, Starks is more dependent on the Oline. But Starks has more speed once in the open field. I not sure one style is better than the other. I like the combination of them because nothing has to change offensively and neither is a situational back.

Combined they remind me of 96 with Bennett and Levens.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 

Luis, if you’re talking about the play at 2:37 3Q [If referencing plays you should notate where they are in the game]; I have to disagree. Hayward has Kearse man- with no hope of help over the top. This shows Whitt and Capers trust Hayward implicitly, just like Tramon! The mistake Hayward made is he left Kearse too soon. Had Wilson pulled up and thrown to Kearse, it’s an easy TD; Wilson is NOT a 20M QB. And if this situation arises if we play again, it will be a TD; but Hayward will get his butt chewed out today for it, if he didn’t get a talkin’ to on the sideline Sunday. So I expect it won’t happen again. If asked, I bet Carroll blames the refs for Wilson’s gaff.

Getting back to the "issue," I don’t see the “back-peddling.” Hayward sees Wilson running [BTW, an amazing feat for a CB playing man w/ no help] stops and turns and squares up at the 34. He takes 3-4 baby steps and each one is closing, before taking one last lateral step inside at the 32.5/33 yrd line as Wilson starts to slide, which caused the contact w/ Hayward’s foot.

look at the replay: Seattle’s line is moving left and every Packer, except Hayward and the one deep safety [Dix, who’s positioned OUTSIDE the LEFT HASH], is moving the same direction and is positioned at or near the LOS as Wilson sprints out right. Hayward’s WR [believe it’s Kearse] would be out there to block Dix. Hayward knows if Wilson gets outside, it’s likely a TD. Hayward knows where his help is coming from and that is inside.

Wilson is shaking and baking as he runs right and Hayward is breaking down perfectly. Each and every move Hayward is making is designed to incrementally close; without losing contain on the outside. Wilson went down, because Hayward didn’t over commit, kept Wilson as inside as possible and the cavalry was about to arrive and splatter him. I suspect Hayward gets an F for coverage and an A for run support on this play.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn