You want discourse then give it. Tell us how you feel about our TE position.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

If you told us exactly what it was and not speak in generalizations there would be no need for us to pigeonhole you the way we do... but, I really do believe the reason you don't is because we're right and saying nothing is the best course of action for you. That is my opinion. It might be wrong.

You want discourse then give it. Tell us how you feel about our TE position. Tell us how you feel about our overloaded with 1st round picks defense and tell us why it sucks, if you even think it does in the first place? Tell us how you feel about having the greatest QB of all time and routinely getting knocked out of the playoffs? Why does that happen?

A lot of this stuff has already been put out there. The majority here IS happy with the way things are. Good is the enemy of great. I see it in your postings all the time. Good is not good enough. Comparing us to Cleveland and their jealousy is an awfully childish way to speak about YOUR team. Cleveland and it's fans aren't relevant as aren't any others. Why is it you don't want to maximize this team's ability to get to the show and win? Why? Oh, it's NOT a video game where we can have studs everywhere? No duh. We have an all world QB and what else is great or even close that? I love RC18 but he's not the elite of elite. Nobody on D is even close to that. We have one superstar and a bunch of good players. Lacy might be ready to make the leap to superstar this season. It's PATHETIC that we have a TE position group like we do. Not a single good player there...a middling talent in Quarless an unknown in Rodgers and junk after that that ain't ready to take us anywhere. The D? DL is as bad as I can remember. Raji jumped the shark years ago. Guion is a meathead who played last year to resurrect a career that was on the verge of ending. Datone Jones is a JOKE of a 1st round pick. Who else? Pennel and Gaston? Are you kidding me? Those are the guys who are taking us places? A 2nd OLB has been an issue for how long now? Now, we're going to have to use our only good one at ILB. Oh, wait...we have a middle aged tall guy at OLB this season. Team doesn't even know if it wants to play him full time anymore. It's unreal. We have to take our star OLB and make him an ILB because we suck so bad there. All the while, lets not forget we just can't ever spend money on proven players unless their careers are over. We'd rather use some UDFA who sucks vs. a real player because of cost. We have the cap but we'll sit on it and live with guys who suck instead of spending where we could to help. (Here comes the tired question: Who could we have added?) this isn't just about THIS offseason, it's about the last 10. We all saw what Charles Woodson meant to us. Pickett, too. Good thing nobody wanted either or we wouldn't have gotten either of them. It just sucks sometimes to be a Packer fan despite how awesome it is to celebrate that Browns fans must be jealous.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

Instead of rambling about why you think Raji and Quarless suck, or how everyone except for you or DakotaT love it when the Packers lose in the divisional round, how about you say how Ted et al could have, or now should work to fix positions, specifically the TE since that's what this thread was about.

Originally Posted by: musccy 

This may rub both sides in this glorious debate the wrong way hahahahaha.

I've said for a long time, you have a great regular season record by overall quality and consistency. That probably carries forward into the early rounds of the playoffs. However, when you get far enough along, conference championship, Super Bowl, LUCK has a LOT to do with it.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

This may rub both sides in this glorious debate the wrong way hahahahaha.

I've said for a long time, you have a great regular season record by overall quality and consistency. That probably carries forward into the early rounds of the playoffs. However, when you get far enough along, conference championship, Super Bowl, LUCK has a LOT to do with it.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

Ya and this goes especially for the Colts...LOL

And Tex, I agree 100%. Sometimes its luck that a guy doesn't bring his A game or a guy is sick or tweaks a hammy in Wednesday before the game. Little is said about Cobb's mistakes in the Champ game, "dropped" a key tough pass he usually catches, ran a route wrong for an INT, couldn't get separation at end of 4th Q; then ya find out he was hurling his guts out all night undoubtedly because of something Carroll slipped in his food LOL. Its bad luck line judge misses an offside call allowing the Sherman INT; one could go on. Maybe if the onside was a little higher or had a little more or less spin Bostic makes the catch or decides to let Jordy get it. The fact is a team can only control a certain % of what happens to them.

It's luck that establishes the FACT that the best team doesn't always win! Even the greatest teams like 1963 and 64 Packers couldn't win even with the great Vince Lombardi. Ted Thompson could could make gambling acquisition to possibly make the 2015 team better and certainly harm future teams; but those additions wouldn't make a difference to winning in 2015. The reality is, winning in football is usually about a team being right in the head and playing harmoniously, rather than great individual players doing their thing. This is why most teams that were good the year before, add "key pieces" so as to look unbeatable on paper, and then they get worse because that team is less right in the head though more talented.

Disclaimer: I am not suggesting we do nothing and rely 100% on Luck...LOL The steady GM puts his team in position to win every year; it's the dumb GMs that gamble and 99% of the time their gambles take a good team and make them worse or turn them into stinkers [see Bears, Denver, Seattle and SF in 2014].

Originally Posted by: Barfarn