greengold
9 years ago

I'm not really sure what your point is on 40 times is? It remains as I said... guys who are paid a lot of money draft players higher with better 40 times. They have for years and it will be the same in the future. Pan the 40 all you like. You all would wish our skill players ran 4.3 instead of 4.5 or 4.6.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



You cannot be that dense. I mean exactly what I said. A timed event before the draft matters all the way up to the draft. After that it means DIDDLY SQUAT.

That Jerry Rice had a pretty good career. I could almost support him being in the hall of fame if only he had run a faster 40 at the combine. :roll:

uffda udfa
9 years ago

You cannot be that dense. I mean exactly what I said. A timed event before the draft matters all the way up to the draft. After that it means DIDDLY SQUAT.

That Jerry Rice had a pretty good career. I could almost support him being in the hall of fame if only he had run a faster 40 at the combine. :roll:

Originally Posted by: greengold 



I'm not dense. While "40 time" might not be what it is prior to the draft, when a player "loses a step" IE: would run a slower 40 time he often gets released. So, speed (evidenced by 40 time) DOES remain important throughout a players career. Why do you like Sam Shields? Do you think you'd like him if he ran 4.6 RIGHT NOW?

Speed means something always and forever in the NFL. Jerry Rice was an excellent WR...imagine how much better he would've been had he been 4.3. Speed wasn't going to make him worse so you shouldn't act as if his lack of speed had no impact on his career. It did.

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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

Lol whatever you say, I guess as long as you keep making little qualifiers and excuses for any of Davante's accomplishments while not applying the same treatment to Janis you'll always be right.

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I do say it is nice being a Packers fan that we can actually have a multiple page debate on whether our 2nd round pick from the prior year has produced enough to warrant his 2nd round selection. I think the fact that there is a discussion pretty much answers it.

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uffda udfa
9 years ago

Book Title: How To Never Be Wrong 101


I do say it is nice being a Packers fan that we can actually have a multiple page debate on whether our 2nd round pick from the prior year has produced enough to warrant his 2nd round selection. I think the fact that there is a discussion pretty much answers it.

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Didn't you have just as long of debates on Derek Sherrod? 😁

How to never be wrong? Oh, is that's Nerd's book? 😂


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greengold
9 years ago

you shouldn't act as if his lack of speed had no impact on his career. It did.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



You shouldn't act as if he had a "lack of speed." Jerry Rice was fast enough to get open. That is fast enough. The game is football, not brag about that one time, years ago, running fast in underwear.

Back on topic, Davante Adams is fast enough. Jeff Janis is probably faster than fast enough. Hopefully he can use that to his advantage to get open against NFL starters when he gets his chance.
uffda udfa
9 years ago

You shouldn't act as if he had a "lack of speed." Jerry Rice was fast enough to get open. That is fast enough. The game is football, not brag about that one time, years ago, running fast in underwear.

Back on topic, Davante Adams is fast enough. Jeff Janis is probably faster than fast enough. Hopefully he can use that to his advantage to get open against NFL starters when he gets his chance.

Originally Posted by: greengold 



Our old darling Boykin who was lauded here as much or more than Davante is now gone. He had a total lack of speed, too. Davante is not fast ...he was almost to the cut off where you're almost not draftable as a WR. Our WR's have been famous for creating little separation over the last few years. What helps with that? The guys who run real fast in their undies that one time. Speed isn't the enemy. It's a major asset that is highly desired.

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texaspackerbacker
9 years ago
There's no reason to be negative about Davante Adams. He has performed decently - about like you'd expect for a 2nd round pick. Calling him a steal, however, is a little bit extreme. It says something that this thread has become about as much about Jeff Janis as about Adams. It's too early to talk "steal" when discussing Janis, but I'd bet money he ends up having at least as good a career, probably better than Adams, and as a 7th round pick, THAT would be a steal.
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sschind
9 years ago

Didn't you have just as long of debates on Derek Sherrod? 😁

How to never be wrong? Oh, is that's Nerd's book? 😂

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I'm pretty sure Nerds book has the words self and shit somewhere in the title.
sschind
9 years ago

Our old darling Boykin who was lauded here as much or more than Davante is now gone. He had a total lack of speed, too. Davante is not fast ...he was almost to the cut off where you're almost not draftable as a WR. Our WR's have been famous for creating little separation over the last few years. What helps with that? The guys who run real fast in their undies that one time. Speed isn't the enemy. It's a major asset that is highly desired.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Players who are almost to the cut off where they are almost not draftable do not get drafted in the 2nd round. Players who are almost not draftable don't get drafted until the 7th round.

uffda udfa
9 years ago

Players who are almost to the cut off where they are almost not draftable do not get drafted in the 2nd round. Players who are almost not draftable don't get drafted until the 7th round.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



There was a piece on him back after he was drafted saying he was very close to the range where a WR won't be drafted. He ran 4.56 at the combine. He was the 15th ranked WR for speed at the combine out of 17 guys. Only 15 were drafted.

Hopefully, I can find the piece because I know you won't take my word for it...he was dangerously close to not being drafted at all due to his POOR, and it was POOR 40 time. This is an issue. You can say it isn't because you don't want it to be but he lacks speed just like Jarrett Boykin.




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