Right. 😕 You said he wasn't a legitimate #3 wide receiver, but you never actually used the word "sucks."

Originally Posted by: greengold 

Where did I say he wasn't a legit #3?...

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

Yeah, Rodgers is to blame...he's playing on one leg vs. the best D in the NFL with no legit TE or 3rd WR. Pin it on him because it fits with Ted Thompson being all world as a GM. The one SB we did win was due to Rodgers playing out of his mind.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

Davante wasn't a legit 3rd...that guy regressed at the end when we needed him most. Perhaps, he hit the wall...I don't know but he was nothing vs. Seattle's secondary. He played well in a few spots...not a consistent performer.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

Not once but twice. How quickly you forget.

Originally Posted by: greengold 

Who was James Jones behind when he didn't measure up to Davante's numbers like you said? He outdid Davante's numbers behind Jennings and Driver.

You seem to forget that Davante played in an O with a real running game something the others didn't. That opens things.

Steve...Janis looked special doing something on an NFL field. Davante never has.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

You gotta fire that camera man. I felt as though I was watching hockey back in the 70's. 😁 😁 😁

Originally Posted by: sschind 

First ya gotta get the facts straight on rookie WRs:

G. Jennings had the decidedly worst rookie year [73 PR; 104 targets was a lot for his production]; but he was thrust into the #2 WR early.

Cobb was 4th WR and 5th option behind Finley; he had best rook year [127 PR]; but as 5th option he was ONLY utilized in packages specifically designed for him.

Jordy was a #4- the three in front had 256 targets [93 PR]

J.Jones was a #3; but DD and GJ missed 5 games giving him more opps.; the two in front only had 206 targets [94 PR]

Adams was a #3; But JN and RC had 278 targets ahead of him [93 PR].

Run game in:
2007 345 for 1543 for 4.47 avg
2014 382 for 1658 for 4.34 avg

The 2007 run game for Jones was more efficient than the 2014 run game for Adams; so if your argument holds true, The run game advantaged Jones more than Adams. Moreover, the run game in 2014 took away 37 more targets from the 2014 WRs than the 2007 WRs.

You must have been on a cruise in San Fransisco Bay when Al Davis' ashes were scattered there; you imbibed his affinity for measurables. They mean nothing if owned by a guy who cant play football or can't play football as well as others.

The difference between 4.3 and 4.5 in shorts, from a track start, starting when you want is meaningless. Once the pads go on w/ no track starts and you must react to a snap; mental preparedness is what determines speed. A 4.4 guy who reacts 1/4 sec. slower than the 4.9 guy across from him is really a 4.65 guy.

And please enough w/ using Combine 40s, like they were given to Goodell by a burning bush on Mt Sinai several millennia ago! Hayward consistently ran low 4.4s...Hayward is a low 4.4 guy who just happened to run a 4.57 at combine. Jerry Rice is a mid 4.5 guy who ran a 4.71 at combine. A person's speed is defined by how fast they are [LOL, now look what you did-you made sound like Yogi Berra]; not necessarily the time they ran at a combine.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 

There are examples of slower players performing quite well...Emmitt, Jerry Rice, Curtis Martin, etc...but if you had to choose, you would hope all your skill guys ran 4.3 vs. 4.4 or 4.5 or higher. How many times do you hear... He WOULD'VE gone a lot higher had her run better in Indianapolis?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

I would lean more to Adams being a solid 2nd round pick. If he continues to ascend, then maybe he'll be a steal. I don't see him ascending to the starters unless Jordy Nelson or Randall Cobb leave.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

You really seem dismissive of 40 times when they aren't flattering to our players. It is, has been, and will continue being a major measure used by NFL scouts and GM's who are paid good money to find the right guys.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

A players 40 time in shorts at the combine matters... UNTIL HE IS DRAFTED. The players we are talking about ARE ALREADY IN THE NFL. How they run today in full pads while catching or carrying a football is all that matters now.

Speaking of dismissive of measurables that aren't flattering to your favorite players... Jeff Janis is a full grown man. His hand size is a finite number that won't ever change when he puts the pads on. 8o

Originally Posted by: greengold