Packers got a steal with Davante Adams in second round· Page 4

DoddPower
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#31

Here is Davante Adams looking special in a NFL Playoff game. Something Jeff Janis has never done yet.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

It's ALL Aaron Rodgers. Adams good plays have nothing to do with Adams himself. All Aaron Rodgers. [sarcasm].

mi_keys
Senior Member

9 years ago

#32

Yup...still talking about what I saw in St. Louis...what I'm talking about is reality based. I saw it.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

That's it? It was a grossly blown coverage. Three defenders followed the running back into the flat going the other way. I was happy for Janis but how the bloody hell is that a special play?

The reality is that Janis had two catches the entire preseason. One on a blown coverage on a dig route against St. Louis, another on a nice fade route against KC. The KC one was probably better considering he actually had to beat his man and did with a clean release against press coverage. That's it though. Two plays on offense the entire preseason. During the regular season he had a whopping 16 yards more than you did.

You cannot objectively say Janis showed more than Adams last year. You might feel he has a higher ceiling than Adams and maybe he does. I happen to be excited about both. But this narrative that Janis has somehow done something special while Adams hasn't at this point is absurd.

Early reports out of OTAs have been good for both of them. Let's hope they both carry that into preseason and then the meaningful games.

Born and bred a cheesehead

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#33

Here is Davante Adams looking special in a NFL Playoff game. Something Jeff Janis has never done yet.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

We have different definitions of special. We know Davante isn't fast...we know he's not of elite strength...we know he can jump high. What is special about that play to you? He caught a ball wide open in space and ran to the corner for 6? Did he just blaze his way to the endzone where nobody was going to catch him because of his elite speed?

You are right, though, Janis has done diddly. Davante has played and has a leg up do to that experience. Davante knows how to be a WR more than Janis does, at this point, I just believe Janis will get it and when he does he has a greater set of skills to offer than Davante does. I'm not sure how that can be argued against. The crux of the matter is will Janis get it? I think he will and when he does he'll have more of an impact on the game than Davante does. JJ's natural ability is unquestionable. He's in Julio Jones territory and Davante ain't close to that.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

steveishere
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#34

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

More like he beat a press attempt, got separation, juked a defender out of his shoes in the open field, then beat the safety to the corner for a touchdown. All against actual NFL players on about as big of a stage as a rookie can be on. It's actually a lot more impressive than catching a pass on a play where nobody covered you and all the defenders were running the opposite direction then beating a safety to the end zone that's never taken an NFL snap and takes a terrible angle to begin with.

I think Janis is going to be good, maybe not Julio Jones or even Jordy Nelson good but still think he's going to eventually do things that help this team win. I just don't see how Janis even matters to this discussion though. Even if Janis goes complete beast mode that doesn't mean Davante Adams sucks. He did some good things for us as a rookie and showed some promising skills whether you want to give him credit or not, I just don't see any reason to believe that he won't also become a good player that does things that help this team win.

sschind
Senior Member

9 years ago

#35

Here is Davante Adams looking special in a NFL Playoff game. Something Jeff Janis has never done yet.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

You gotta fire that camera man. I felt as though I was watching hockey back in the 70's. 😁 😁 😁

sschind
Senior Member

9 years ago

#36

It's ALL Aaron Rodgers. Adams good plays have nothing to do with Adams himself. All Aaron Rodgers. [sarcasm].

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

And I'm sure if you look deep enough you will find out that in some way shape or form Jeff Janis had something to do with it also. Maybe the defenders were thinking "it's only Adams and not Janis so we don't have to try as hard because he doesn't have the measurables of Julio Jones"

greengold
Member

9 years ago

#37

Originally Posted by: sschind

No one can defend Jeff Janis. Why would anyone try? Jeff Janis would have scored twice on that play.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#38

For the record, nowhere have I said Davante sucks. I have said he's not special and I don't believe he is...I believe he's a typical run of the mill possession WR in the WCO. Better than James Jones? I don't think so...James did some exciting things his rookie season. He was tough... had some drops, but he was a man.

Davante would worry me as anything more than a 3, at least for now.

Donald Driver is high on JJ. I'm high on JJ and have been. Vic So'oto and Jeff Janis are not comparable. So'oto didn't have any type of elite measurables. He played well in that pre-season game vs. KC. I loved the guy. He never did diddly. Janis may not either but his ceiling is, without question, way higher than Davante's theoretically is due to JJ's insane measurables that Davante doesn't possess.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

greengold
Member

9 years ago

#39

For the record, nowhere have I said Davante sucks.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Right. 😕 You said he wasn't a legitimate #3 wide receiver, but you never actually used the word "sucks."

DakotaT
Select Member

9 years ago

#40

Poor Uffda! Nobody understands that he rates elite athleticism over on field production. Adams was a very, very productive college player that had a good rookie season. Until Janis proves it on an NFL field, he's a track star; just another Renaldo Nehimiah.

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