DarkaneRules
9 years ago
If you are a free agent over 30 for the Packers, then you probably aren't going to get a new contract by the end of the first week of free agency unless you are the franchise QB. You get the deals and the value during the 2nd week of free agency. That's when things get more interesting to me.
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uffda udfa
9 years ago

If you are a free agent over 30 for the Packers, then you probably aren't going to get a new contract by the end of the first week of free agency unless you are the franchise QB. You get the deals and the value during the 2nd week of free agency. That's when things get more interesting to me.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



It's more interesting for ALL Packers fans because that's when we have a chance to actually add someone. Have we ever, under TT, signed a first wave FA, who wasn't previously with us? I don't think so...Woodson was a 2nd waver...I believe Peppers was also along with Ryan Pickett.

To hear Ted Thompson offered 9 million for Revis just cracked me up. When Ted Thompson tries saving face saying they/he are/is active in FA behind the scenes, if this is what he meant, you know we ain't EVER truly active in FA at the beginning. That's a JOKE offer to Revis.
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DarkaneRules
9 years ago
Hahah yep! Still worth a shot though eh? I get a chuckle at the notion of us offering him that type of money. I believe he got 1 year at $12 mil with the Patriots. Right place, right time, great deal.
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steveishere
9 years ago

It's more interesting for ALL Packers fans because that's when we have a chance to actually add someone. Have we ever, under TT, signed a first wave FA, who wasn't previously with us? I don't think so...Woodson was a 2nd waver...I believe Peppers was also along with Ryan Pickett.

To hear Ted Thompson offered 9 million for Revis just cracked me up. When Ted Thompson tries saving face saying they/he are/is active in FA behind the scenes, if this is what he meant, you know we ain't EVER truly active in FA at the beginning. That's a JOKE offer to Revis.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



The only outside guy I can think of that we signed early on in FA is Marquand Manuel... lol. Can't say I'm too broke up over it though. Yeah some teams get great players that early but there are just SOO many that don't work out it's crazy.
steveishere
9 years ago

Some players just seem to play faster than their timed speed; Tramon Williams has been like that. Ted Thompson is playing Russian roulette - again - in terms of losing him, hoping he doesn't get what he wants elsewhere, and that strategy just might work. I, for one, don't like that way of doing things. Casey Hayward has been excellent at times, and his 40 time is better than Williams. I don't trust his hamstring, though, and he is unproven as a cover corner against the top receivers in the league. Unless my eyes deceived me, toward the end of the season, Tramon, not Shields, was the guy covering the top gun of the other team - and doing a generally decent job of it.

Each time I get on the computer or tune into ESPN, I'm hoping to read that the Packers retained Tramon Williams. He has absolutely NOT been a long term waste like Hawk and B. Jones - far from it.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Tramon has always had adequate speed and great overall athleticism to be a good corner, it hasn't been a detriment to his ability to play at all. The problem is he doesn't have any speed to spare by aging so when he does lose it his ability to play on the outside is going to plummet. You started to see it some last year when he was getting beat a lot by mediocre WRs who can run. He allowed 10 TDs last year despite playing behind the best pass rush we've had in years. The most TDs he's allowed as a starter before last year is 4 so there is certainly already evidence of decline. I wouldn't be mad if we brought him back cheap as depth but I certainly wouldn't rely on Capers to let one of his trusty vets ride the bench so I mostly just don't want to see him back.
warhawk
9 years ago

Tramon has always had adequate speed and great overall athleticism to be a good corner, it hasn't been a detriment to his ability to play at all. The problem is he doesn't have any speed to spare by aging so when he does lose it his ability to play on the outside is going to plummet. You started to see it some last year when he was getting beat a lot by mediocre WRs who can run. He allowed 10 TDs last year despite playing behind the best pass rush we've had in years. The most TDs he's allowed as a starter before last year is 4 so there is certainly already evidence of decline. I wouldn't be mad if we brought him back cheap as depth but I certainly wouldn't rely on Capers to let one of his trusty vets ride the bench so I mostly just don't want to see him back.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



See the quote below on Tramon's stats. I think you have the missed tackles (10) mixed up with TD's allowed (4). His stats were not that bad at all. He has been often asked to take on the best opposing WR and with little help. There's some pretty darn good WR's just in our own division and he handled them for the most part.

According to Pro Football Focus. Williams finished having been targeted 93 times, allowing 53 completions for 714 yards with four touchdowns allowed (78.0 opponent passer rating). PFF charged him with 10 missed tackles while crediting him with three quarterback hurries and three QB hits along with his two sacks when blitzing from the nickel spot. He showed no signs of the nerve damage that had limited him

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steveishere
9 years ago

See the quote below on Tramon's stats. I think you have the missed tackles (10) mixed up with TD's allowed (4). His stats were not that bad at all. He has been often asked to take on the best opposing WR and with little help. There's some pretty darn good WR's just in our own division and he handled them for the most part.

According to Pro Football Focus. Williams finished having been targeted 93 times, allowing 53 completions for 714 yards with four touchdowns allowed (78.0 opponent passer rating). PFF charged him with 10 missed tackles while crediting him with three quarterback hurries and three QB hits along with his two sacks when blitzing from the nickel spot. He showed no signs of the nerve damage that had limited him

Originally Posted by: warhawk 



The #s in that quote are based on the 2013 season not last season. We don't typically shadow other teams best WR but last year if we did it was most often Shields doing it, Tramon has not really done that since 2010. He did have to cover some good WRs last year but any starting CB will have to do that. He gave up TDs to guys like Brandon LaFell, Terrance Williams, Jermaine Kearse and Charles Johnson. There is really no question the guy is losing some of his juice he would have normally shut down guys like that without breaking a sweat. Also like I said before he had a very good pass rush in front of him last year so there is really no excuse for him to decline like that.
DoddPower
9 years ago

The #s in that quote are based on the 2013 season not last season. We don't typically shadow other teams best WR but last year if we did it was most often Shields doing it, Tramon has not really done that since 2010. He did have to cover some good WRs last year but any starting CB will have to do that. He gave up TDs to guys like Brandon LaFell, Terrance Williams, Jermaine Kearse and Charles Johnson. There is really no question the guy is losing some of his juice he would have normally shut down guys like that without breaking a sweat. Also like I said before he had a very good pass rush in front of him last year so there is really no excuse for him to decline like that.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



That's true, but the Packers pass rush seemed to disappear at times last season.
steveishere
9 years ago

That's true, but the Packers pass rush seemed to disappear at times last season.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I don't think that's unusual for any team though even good ones. For example when we played teams like Buffalo, Miami, and Philadelphia our line completely shut those guys down for large stretches of the game. I'm not saying we had a top 5 pass rush overall or anything but we had enough that it was more of a benefit to our secondary than a detriment.
DoddPower
9 years ago

I don't think that's unusual for any team though even good ones. For example when we played teams like Buffalo, Miami, and Philadelphia our line completely shut those guys down for large stretches of the game. I'm not saying we had a top 5 pass rush overall or anything but we had enough that it was more of a benefit to our secondary than a detriment.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I agree, but I still think the Packers need a better and more consistent pass rush in order to be champions.
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