texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

They beat the Super Bowl champs...they beat a once hot Eagles team by how many points? Didn't the Pats lose by 30 to the Chiefs, who didn't make the playoffs?

Who on here REALLY thought the Pack would beat the Seahawks before the game? Saying we played down to them is revisionist history.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



I thought so - I'm pretty sure I'm on record somewhere in here saying that. I think some others also are.

My take on the TOPIC of the Thread is this:

It's TRUE, the Packers have had worse results than their talent would indicate they should have BUT ..... that talent level is NOT even across the board. Aaron Rodgers is the straw that stirs the drink. You get beyond him, and the talent is little if any above average.

Most of the criticism of McCarthy is very justified - hyper-cautious playcalling, etc. However, the TRUE fault lies with Ted Thompson for NOT maximizing the talent around Aaron Rodgers. If we just had a better O Line - Rodgers is head and shoulders better than Brady, but he virtually never has the time to throw that Brady has. Our Defense was better this year, but the fact is, it survives on Capers' scheming, trickery, and compensation - and a lot of times, the effectiveness of that wears off late in games.

So yeah, McCarthy has been deficient in producing results up to the standard of a team with Aaron Rodgers at QB, but the greater deficiency has been Ted Thompson failing to bring in a max supporting cast.

Am I the only one who thinks this? I read a LOT of negativity about McCarthy and hardly any regarding Thompson. Why?
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TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago

Am I the only one who thinks this? I read a LOT of negativity about McCarthy and hardly any regarding Thompson. Why?

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



I have questioned Thompson on the OL and know we share the same thought on this. Give Rodgers time and he will kill any Defense.

Where I do tend to give him a pass is on FA. At the end of the day the player needs to want to be in Green Bay. That is a hard sell for Wives and Girlfriends as well as some young men who want a night life. Unless we want to overpay or the guys know the situation (our own draft picks) we just don't have the appeal.

Do you ever read about a FA that says he wants to come here, like we've heard about New England or recently Seattle? Yeah people want to be winners, but they always want a big market and all the perks that go with that other than an Applebee's.
DakotaT
10 years ago

I view Lacy as a superior talent. Jordy and Cobb are pretty good too. But anyway, before we "move on," I would like to fix what it is that we continue to do wrong. Otherwise we're back where we started and are not truly "moving on."

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



You can't fix moronic play like we witnessed in the NFC championship. You get rid of the shitheads and bring new guys in.

Lacy is a power runner. If he had break away speed, he'd have superior talent. You underestimate what the word superior is. Adrian Peterson was a superior talent.
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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

I thought so - I'm pretty sure I'm on record somewhere in here saying that. I think some others also are.

My take on the TOPIC of the Thread is this:

It's TRUE, the Packers have had worse results than their talent would indicate they should have BUT ..... that talent level is NOT even across the board. Aaron Rodgers is the straw that stirs the drink. You get beyond him, and the talent is little if any above average.

Most of the criticism of McCarthy is very justified - hyper-cautious playcalling, etc. However, the TRUE fault lies with Ted Thompson for NOT maximizing the talent around Aaron Rodgers. If we just had a better O Line - Rodgers is head and shoulders better than Brady, but he virtually never has the time to throw that Brady has. Our Defense was better this year, but the fact is, it survives on Capers' scheming, trickery, and compensation - and a lot of times, the effectiveness of that wears off late in games.

So yeah, McCarthy has been deficient in producing results up to the standard of a team with Aaron Rodgers at QB, but the greater deficiency has been Ted Thompson failing to bring in a max supporting cast.

Am I the only one who thinks this? I read a LOT of negativity about McCarthy and hardly any regarding Thompson. Why?

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



NE talent isn't any greater than the Packers. Seattle probably has more talent than the packers do today, but that is a result of having just rebuilt and not having the veteran contracts. When we last won the SB, we also had more talent because we were not paying the big contracts we are today. We could probably have some more talent, but then again we could be in the boat of teams like the Ravens, sitting on 3 million cap space unless they get Flacco, Ngata and probably a couple others to restructure and than they are still just pushing the cost down the road.

there have been plenty of threads about Ted and the talent, recently the topic has just been more about coaching and play calling. That will all change as it always does.
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yooperfan
10 years ago

I thought so - I'm pretty sure I'm on record somewhere in here saying that. I think some others also are.

My take on the TOPIC of the Thread is this:

It's TRUE, the Packers have had worse results than their talent would indicate they should have BUT ..... that talent level is NOT even across the board. Aaron Rodgers is the straw that stirs the drink. You get beyond him, and the talent is little if any above average.

Most of the criticism of McCarthy is very justified - hyper-cautious playcalling, etc. However, the TRUE fault lies with Ted Thompson for NOT maximizing the talent around Aaron Rodgers. If we just had a better O Line - Rodgers is head and shoulders better than Brady, but he virtually never has the time to throw that Brady has. Our Defense was better this year, but the fact is, it survives on Capers' scheming, trickery, and compensation - and a lot of times, the effectiveness of that wears off late in games.

So yeah, McCarthy has been deficient in producing results up to the standard of a team with Aaron Rodgers at QB, but the greater deficiency has been Ted Thompson failing to bring in a max supporting cast.

Am I the only one who thinks this? I read a LOT of negativity about McCarthy and hardly any regarding Thompson. Why?

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



You are not the only one that thinks this.
For years, long before you came along, I was critical of Thompsons inability to provide better talent to surround Rodgers.
I was of the belief that McCarthy was coaching with one arm tied behind his back due to Thompsons poor drafting and unwillingness to use the free agent tool.
But now Ted has had some good drafts and has even dipped a toe into freeagency resulting in a team that should have won the Super Bowl this year, only to see McCarthy fall flat on his face in the coaching dept.
I was roundly and consistently shouted down in my criticism of Thompson, now I believe both McCarthy and Ted Thompson deserve criticism, but Thompson to a lesser extent than I believed in the past.
After last year I felt that the Packers were stuck in second gear and that changes should be made.
I'm both happy and hopeful now that the Packers are making some changes that were long over due.
I'm hopeful that Ted will continue his short run of productive drafting and that MM will be a more well rounded Head Coach of the entire Green Bay Packers football team.



nerdmann
10 years ago

NE talent isn't any greater than the Packers. Seattle probably has more talent than the packers do today, but that is a result of having just rebuilt and not having the veteran contracts. When we last won the SB, we also had more talent because we were not paying the big contracts we are today. We could probably have some more talent, but then again we could be in the boat of teams like the Ravens, sitting on 3 million cap space unless they get Flacco, Ngata and probably a couple others to restructure and than they are still just pushing the cost down the road.

there have been plenty of threads about Ted and the talent, recently the topic has just been more about coaching and play calling. That will all change as it always does.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



We had the matchup advantage with NE. They didn't have anyone to cover Davante Adams. The Seahawks no longer have Sidney Rice or Percy Harvin. Russell Wilson is overrated and can be beat. Marshawn is still the real deal, but he's only got maybe 1-2 years left in him.

They had plenty of injuries on defense this year too.
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sschind
10 years ago



Yeah, most people aren't smart as I am.




Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Don't be so hard on yourself Nerd. There are a lot of people who are as smart as you are.
sschind
10 years ago

Couldn't it be said that Seattle self shit for 55 minutes? I don't know that the Packers out played Seahawks. I think it is more that Seattle tried to give it away. We refused to take it. Just because Seattle sucked for 55 minutes doesn't mean we were more talented. Or less.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



Oh no, not possible. We are the only team that self shits. When other teams play poorly against us it has nothing to do with how they are playing poorly and everything about how we are superior but when we are playing poorly its always our own fault and has nothing to do with what the other team is doing.

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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago
Until I am under contract as the short yardage punter, the team will NEVER have superior talent.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

Oh no, not possible. We are the only team that self shits. When other teams play poorly against us it has nothing to do with how they are playing poorly and everything about how we are superior but when we are playing poorly its always our own fault and has nothing to do with what the other team is doing.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



Seattle got where they were, because the Cardinals lost 3 QBs, and the Packers shit themselves in week 1. They did not belong as the #1 seed.

They also lost quite a few players as the season went on. They were quite overrated.
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