Packers inferior results with superior talent· Page 2

musccy
Veteran Member

10 years ago

I have feelings this is the beginning of the end for Mike.
Ted starts taking away his responsibilities.
Rumored riffs with Aaron on play calling.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

There are some minor snippets we get from Aaron which are starting to wear on me, though I admit it takes a lot of reading into some smaller things.

I commented on the weight issue in another thread, and this play calling issue post nfcg annoys me too. We don't know how the dynamic works or just how much control Aaron has, but clearly he has some at the line, so complaints about play calling come off as at least a little hypocritical to me.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

10 years ago

#12

Don Shula, never won a SB with one of the best QBs ever. Winning is tough and nobody wants to acknowledge that. The Packers have been one of the most consistent franchises since Ted and Mike have been here which many seem to overlook.

Originally Posted by: musccy

One of the most frustration points that I witness every GameDay in the Chat. If the Packers have to punt, then they are in a lull. If the Packers kick a field goal, the coach is giving up. If the Packers go for it on 4th down, it is because coach doesn't trust kicker. If the other team scores, the Packers shit themselves. It is the same drivel over and over and over again.

Fans should always want their team to go 19 - 0, or at least win the Super Bowl. That's a given. Failing to appreciate your team went 9 - 0 at home and split on the road to finish 13 - 5 is cheating yourself as a fan.

How many teams out there haven't won 13 games in two or even three seasons? Yet, here we are as Packers having a 2nd superb quarterback to helm our team and some of us are looking for anything and everything to complain about. As if a Super Bowl trophy is OWED to us.

And you know the real pisser here? Even when the Packers won it in 2010, these same fans whined that the Packers should have won by MORE points. That they should have won MORE games during the regular season. That the defense should have been better earlier in the season.

If we're not careful, we're gonna be lumped together with those "arrogant Patriots" fans sooner than later.

musccy
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#13

Agreed zero. I understand you don't want to settle for less, and the line between perspective and complacency is very thin.

With that said, what did we want to improve this year? Defense - great, no, improved, yes. Run game the same. TE play throughout the year, too. Health- we dont know if it was dumb luck or due to Mike's changes but 2014 was clearly the healthiest year in some time.

No doubt the Packers took a big maddening dump on the field the last 5 minutes in Seattle, but it's worth recognizing a lot of the good that happened to that point which many other franchises and fans would envy.

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

10 years ago

#14

That makes absolutely no sense.

Seahawks were defending world champions, were the favorite to win it all again, and were playing st home where they have been almost unbeatable the lat 3 years.

Yet you say The Packers played down to their competition.

Explain. Wait never mind.
Won't make sense anyway.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

Yeah, most people aren't smart as I am. I knew the Seahawks were overrated.

They were pretty good for awhile. Not so much anymore, as we subsequently found out. The Packers exposed them for who they were, then let them off the hook.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

10 years ago

#15

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I've stated it before. If this team had inferior talent, but got the most out of it, I would give them props for that. Maybe I'd criticize the GM.

But that's not how it is.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

musccy
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#16

I've stated it before. If this team had inferior talent, but got the most out of it, I would give them props for that. Maybe I'd criticize the GM.

But that's not how it is.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

What or how do you define "inferior" and "superior" talent.

Aside from some sports whose outcome is determined by objective measurables (track, weightlifting, swimming) comparing talent can be very subjective. You're claiming the Packers have superior talent but based on what? Stats? Combine numbers? Draft position? The eye ball test? I'm not trying to pick on you, I just don't know how you arrive at a pretty definitive conclusion that the Packers clearly are under utilizing their vastly superior talent.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

10 years ago

#17

You're claiming the Packers have superior talent but based on what? Stats? Combine numbers? Draft position? The eye ball test? I'm not trying to pick on you, I just don't know how you arrive at a pretty definitive conclusion that the Packers clearly are under utilizing their vastly superior talent.

Originally Posted by: musccy

Yeah, most people aren't smart as I am.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#18

Originally Posted by: musccy

Across the board, I think it would be hard to say this team has inferior talent. Sure there are positions where that could be said. I also don't believe the team plays down to their opponents, we mostly beat the teams we should have beaten. When I go into the season, I have an expectation on which games we should win, which games we should lose and which are tossups. And for the most part the team has beaten the teams I expected to beat, and lost to those I expected to lose, and of the toss ups, have been over 500. This year I was wrong on expecting a win at buffalo. And we won 2 of the three I had as toss ups (NE and CHI away).

I don't expect the play calling change to result in us losing to the teams we should beat. Mostly those we have a good game plan going in, and don't have to make huge in game changes. But I do think it gives is a chance to win more of the toss up games and win more against teams I figured to be losses. I still expect with Mike to have good game plans heading in. Where I can see improvement is better ability for adjustments during the game not just at the 1/2. And more overall awareness from Mike of things outside of the offense. I still think if Mike had not been calling plays at the end of the game, he would have noticed or paid more attention to why Clay wasn't on the field. And if it was a matter of rest, he would have used the timeouts we had to give him some time and get him on the field as the game was coming to the end of regulation.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

10 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: musccy

Go back and Watch the NFCCG against Seattle.

Do you think the Seahawks were the better team?

Did the Packers even belong on the same field with them? Do you attribute the outcome to a superior performance by the winners, or Minnesota-style self-shitting by the team that lost?

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

10 years ago

#20

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Generally, we do beat teams we're supposed to beat.

But that doesn't mean we don't shit ourselves in the process. The problem is that, since we won anyway, everyone excuses the self shitting, allowing it to continue.

By allowing it to continue, we decrease our margin for error, and we get what happened in the playoffs this year.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : WR who said he'd break Xavier Worthy 40 time...and ran slower than you

Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Who?

Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Texas’ WR Isaiah Bond is scheduled to visit the Bills, Browns, Chiefs, Falcons, Packers and Titans starting next week.

Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Spotting ball isn't changing, only measuring distance is, Which wasn't the issue.

Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : The spotting of the ball IS the issue. Not the chain gang.

Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Will there be a tracker on the ball or something?

Zero2Cool (1-Apr) : uh oh

Martha Careful (1-Apr) : Too bad camera's can't spot the ball as well.

Mucky Tundra (1-Apr) : So will the chain gang be gone completely or will they still be around as a backup or whatever?

Zero2Cool (1-Apr) : The method for measuring first downs in the NFL will switch from chain gangs to camera-based technology in 2025, the league announced.

Martha Careful (1-Apr) : A big step in the right direction. Just put in the college system is very very good.

Zero2Cool (1-Apr) : NFL has passed a rule that allows both teams to possess the ball in OT during the regular season

Zero2Cool (1-Apr) : Touchbacks on kickoffs will now bring the ball to the 35-yard line.

beast (31-Mar) : It might of gotten more popular recently, but braiding hair (even men) in certain cultures goes back for centuries.

Martha Careful (30-Mar) : Is men braiding their hair a new style thing? Watching the NCAA men's tournament many players have done

Zero2Cool (29-Mar) : Ha. Well, it'd be nice for folks to reset their own password. Via validated email 😏

beast (29-Mar) : Monopoly was supposed to be an educational game, that show how evil capitalism was and how we should avoid it

beast (29-Mar) : Lol, I was thinking username would be better, as then I wouldn't have to keep an email up to date lol 😂

beast (29-Mar) : Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : I was thinking email because I think it'll make folks keep it up todate lol

wpr (29-Mar) : sure is

Zero2Cool (29-Mar) : Monopoly is a rip off of The Landlord's Game

wpr (27-Mar) : 28 days until the draft

earthquake (27-Mar) : Which seemed strange to my 9 year old self, that you could be a fan for a team other than the one you play for

earthquake (27-Mar) : Nothing eventful happened, other than it being clear that he was a bengals fan

earthquake (27-Mar) : And we went and hung out with him one afternoon, I must have been 9 or so

earthquake (27-Mar) : That’s wild, when I was a kid my friend lived in the same apartment complex in De Pere

Mucky Tundra (27-Mar) : Only career highspot was a 200 yard rushing game while playing for the Cardinals

Mucky Tundra (27-Mar) : He is a former Packer. Drafted out of Northern Illinois. Didn't do much in GB.

dfosterf (26-Mar) : Despicable

Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : Former NFL. I think Packers too

Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : NFL RB Leshon Johnson has been charged in a massive dog fighting operation, with the FBI seizing over 190 Pit Bulls

Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : Some real irony of a QB as short as Wilson playing for the Giants

Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : Giants country, let's be the tall beings of lore!

Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : Russell Wilson signs with the Giants.

Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : I was thinking email because I think it'll make folks keep it up todate lol

wpr (25-Mar) : I don't think there is a significant difference. I use a user name for many. Others email.

Martha Careful (25-Mar) : email

Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : would it be better to use EMAIL or USERNAME to log into a site?

wpr (25-Mar) : Thanks Zero

Zero2Cool (24-Mar) : New forum has the ability to Thank a post now.

beast (24-Mar) : And the only time they have won the Championship in an even year, was the first time they did, in 2006.

beast (24-Mar) : Since 2007, there have been 10 odd numbered years, Wisconsin Women have won the Championship in 7 of those 10 odd numbered years.

buckeyepackfan (24-Mar) : Congratulations Lady Badger Hockey Team. NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!

Zero2Cool (23-Mar) : I don't think it's completed yet. it was just announced last month, right?

dhazer (23-Mar) : did netflix ever release the Packers documentary

Zero2Cool (21-Mar) : And it is glorious!

beast (21-Mar) : Unsigned FA QB Rodgers is supposedly in the Steelers building

Martha Careful (19-Mar) : But I don't own a car! So can I still use it in my apartment?

Zero2Cool (19-Mar) : btw, new site auto updates

Zero2Cool (19-Mar) : Woohoo!

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2024 Packers Schedule

Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM

Eagles

29 - 34

Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM

COLTS

16 - 10

Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM

Titans

30 - 14

Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

29 - 31

Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM

Rams

24 - 19

Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM

CARDINALS

34 - 13

Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM

TEXANS

24 - 22

Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM

Jaguars

30 - 27

Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

14 - 24

Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM

Bears

20 - 19

Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM

49ERS

38 - 10

Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM

DOLPHINS

30 - 17

Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM

Lions

31 - 34

Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM

Seahawks

30 - 13

Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM

SAINTS

34 - 0

Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM

Vikings

25 - 27

Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM

BEARS

22 - 24

Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM

Eagles

10 - 22