Again, again, and again wild accusations and wrongly held beliefs about me and what I've done are used by you to try and discredit me. Have at it. I told you who Ben Stockwell was...somehow, I guess you feel superior for providing the link to exactly what I stated as if that means you've done something?

I would think it might be wise for you to actually read what I've posted before going off half cocked as you have in this post. You might be surprised to see what has already been posted instead of indulging in blind rage for having PFF taken to the woodshed as highly questionable I'm sorry you thought this was some group of people who understood the game doing these ratings.

In the end, you remain comfortable believing the PFF ratings are top notch analytics even though you now know for yourself the MAIN guy at PFF lives in the UK and studied ecology. We've got that on record. Feel free to write another post dripping with feigned outrage making wild unsubstantiated allegations. It's always a trip seeing what you'll come up with next to try to get away from the fact Ben Stockwell is the main guy at PFF.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

"As of the 2011 season, PFF provides customized data to five NFL teams, along with a number of agents, media and NFL players."

Oh, those fools running NFL teams. Actually paying a UK ecology major to evaluate players.

How many teams are paying you to evaluate players for them, uffda?

Originally Posted by: macbob 

It was kind of a big day for Pro Football Focus, the NFL sabermetrics and tape-grading site that has become a major player in a few short years. With a solid writing staff and 12 film graders who work every game from the preseason to the Super Bowl, PFF has become a fairly indispensable tool for those in the media (and in the league) who want to add another dimension to what they do.

Thirteen NFL teams have consulted with PFF and purchased their information for use in their processes...

SI.com wrote:

Your 90% quote was written July 2011. We're talking about the 2013 and 2014 seasons of which they acquired more analysts.

You're insufferably annoying to try and hold a discussion with. I wanted to see your point, I did the research, I did the reading, I dug and came away finding MORE evidence to validate their grading. Evidence that you refuse to acknowledge because of what of (in my opinion) your prejudice of one of the staff being educated and residing overseas.

I never expected you to change your mind and go OMGoodness PFF is the goodest ever!!! Hell, I don't even think that myself ... I was just trying to shed some light that you could maybe consider the source as part of an evaluation. Unfortunately, you've decided in your arrogant way that only your eye balls accurately grade players. I respect that, even though I think your'e freaking asinine for it, lol.

Again, as I have said numerous times and you refuse to understand and acknowledge. ProFootballFocus is not the end all grading evaluation of NFL players. I feel it is just one thing we can use to compare players to other players and several NFL teams use it too. As do a plethora of sports media outlets.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Umm...I read the PFF history link before you did and I'm not a subscriber. I read it ALL last night. BTW, I clicked the link here on December 25th, 2014. That link where I read up on them stated Stockwell and Hornsby account for 90% of what you see on the site with Ben Stockwell (UK ecology major) being the MAIN analyst. I thought it important to ascertain the credentials of the MAIN guy at PFF. There aren't any. Yet, I get asked what mine are when the guy who is doing their analysis has...NONE. That's rich and deep as mariana's trench.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

You now are forced to backtrack and just refer to PFF as a tool to look at as if you're out there comparing various tools to figure out who is performing how. Stop. Just stop. PFF is what it is... you can continue to prop it up for argument sake. That is your call. I know about the site now from doing my own research...research, quite frankly, you should've done BEFORE ever dropping a nickel on their stuff.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

If you read it, then you already know it was from July 2011. Odd that you didn't mention that at all.

In my estimation Ben has analyzed over 1,700 NFL games to his credit, how many have you watched and analyzed? How many NFL teams come to you for your grading? Sorry, that's not fair to you, you're just a fan, like the rest of us. The point remains.


This is that insufferably annoying thing I was talking about where you just fling words around hoping they stick. Anyhow, if I have lead you to believe that ProFootballFocus should be your ONE and ONLY source for player evaluation, my apologies as I was only trying to open you to yet another source of player evaluation.

lol force to backtrack ... that was cute

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

If you read it, then you already know it was from July 2011. Odd that you didn't mention that at all.

In my estimation Ben has analyzed over 1,700 NFL games to his credit, how many have you watched and analyzed? How many NFL teams come to you for your grading? Sorry, that's not fair to you, you're just a fan, like the rest of us. The point remains.


This is that insufferably annoying thing I was talking about where you just fling words around hoping they stick. Anyhow, if I have lead you to believe that ProFootballFocus should be your ONE and ONLY source for player evaluation, my apologies as I was only trying to open you to yet another source of player evaluation.

lol force to backtrack ... that was cute

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Lets stop beating this ridiculous horse once and for all. First off, everyone realizes that one member of PFF's staff has an ecology major and was born in the UK. Nobody is disputing this, the reason that nobody seems to care is that it is of little or no relevance to the discussion at hand, the quality/accuracy of PFF ratings. You can repeat the same sentiment an infinite amount of times, but that doesn't make it any more correct or relevant, it just makes you look like an idiot hopelessly stuck on some petty bullshit.

I'm not sure you know this, but many of the most successful people have no college education or education unrelated to their profession, a good example would be some moron called Bill Gates, he's a college dropout so he certainly isn't qualified to have an opinion on computer programming or software design, right? Another interesting tidbit, most professional football players have a degree entirely unrelated to playing football, does this discredit these individuals as well?

Where you were born or what you studied in college does not pre-determine what you are capable of doing in life.

Secondly, to the professional comment I made earlier. The very basic definition of a professional is someone who provides a service that others pay for. While I have no doubt PFF started as an amateur ranking website, they are now a widely respected service that many people, including various teams in the NFL pay for their services. This makes them professionals. Having a degree does not make you a professional, having a JOB does.

Here's another basic example. Do you know the difference between an amateur and professional photographer? One gets paid.

Originally Posted by: earthquake