uffda udfa
10 years ago
http://www.espnwisconsin.com/common/page.php?feed=2&id=15911&is_corp=1 

ESPNWisconsin: There haven’t been a whole lot of instances where you’ve flat-out benched a player. That happened at the end of 2012 with Jeff Saturday, but you tend to give your players a lot of rope to pull themselves up if they’re struggling. Is that a philosophical thing, or are you reluctant to invest a ton of time and practice reps in a guy all offseason and training camp and then pull the plug on him if he plays poorly when the season begins?

McCarthy: You may not flat-out bench somebody, but I think sometimes you … you don’t really play with 11. There’s plenty of instances where you may only play a guy in base instead of sub or vice-versa. Position has a lot to do with it. Your backup has a lot to do with it. That’s a good question. I’ve never thought about it. To me, I trust the evaluation of the coaches. We sit here and they say, ‘Hey, this is who I think should play this week.’ There have been guys benched on special teams a number of times.


---He's NEVER thought about it? This answer is as troubling as his non answer about not being able to beat the elite teams rather only the teams in the NFCN. I'm telling you that is EXACTLY what the goal is...to beat the NFCN teams to win divisional championships to keep Packer fan fat dumb and happy. It works. How and I why I'll never understand.

EDIT: There's a very good piece from Peter King at SI.com regarding our defensive woes...this part is the money statement:

The biggest problem is that type of scheme is not Capers’ forte. If the Packers took a more objective look at their personnel in the offseason, McCarthy might have come to the conclusion that it might better fit a coordinator with a more hybrid scheme. McCarthy and Capers are stuck together now. With few personnel and scheme options available, they’re going to be hard-pressed to get it turned around into a championship-level unit.

---I really liked the fact that Peter King pointed out that Aaron Rodgers covers a "lot of ills". Hmmm. Where have I heard that before? It is so freaking sickening that our fan base is largely clueless so this fraud of a HC and GM tandem remains in place wholly ineffective at directing a ship that has Aaron Rodgers aboard.
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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


DoddPower
10 years ago

How and I why I'll never understand.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I'll never understand why some fans take the things that the organization says publicly so literally. Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy, and others all know exactly what they are saying (or not saying) to the media. It's decisive and on purpose, and doesn't necessarily reflect the truth or reality most of the time. The same people that fall in their traps are probably the same ones that continuously fall for fluff political rhetoric, too. Most of the time, it's empty words and nothing else.

uffda udfa
10 years ago

I'll never understand why some fans take the things that the organization says publicly so literally. Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy, and others all know exactly what they are saying (or not saying) to the media. It's decisive and on purpose, and doesn't necessarily reflect the truth or reality most of the time. The same people that fall in their traps are probably the same ones that continuously fall for fluff political rhetoric, too. Most of the time, it's empty words and nothing else.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



[grin1] So, you believe MM is lying when he said he never thought about it? I don't.

I guess I can understand your spin of that statement because minus that it's indefensible and if you don't like objectivity you'll fight that with everything you have.

We have the wrong people running this thing without any question but you don't believe that.
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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


DarkaneRules
10 years ago
Looking across the league, McCarthy is still one of my favorite coaches. He's not in my top 5 I don't think, but hey, I'm not the brass. I'll let them figure that out. As it stands, I believe in McCarthy. I got the dude's back.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

I'll never understand why some fans take the things that the organization says publicly so literally. Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy, and others all know exactly what they are saying (or not saying) to the media. It's decisive and on purpose, and doesn't necessarily reflect the truth or reality most of the time. The same people that fall in their traps are probably the same ones that continuously fall for fluff political rhetoric, too. Most of the time, it's empty words and nothing else.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



He's good at developing QBs. He developed Aaron and Matt, but wasn't able to bring Brohm or Coleman along. Harrell didn't have the physical attributes.

I think he thinks too much and I disagree with his offensive philosophy.

Here's one thing he said that I do not take seriously:

THE FOUNDATION FOR THE NEW DIRECTION OF THE GREEN BAY PACKERS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THREE KEY COMPONENTS OF OBTAINING "PACKER PEOPLE," CREATING "STABLE STRUCTURE" AND CONCENTRATING ON "CHARACTER AND CHEMISTRY."

A POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT WILL BE CREATED WITH "LEADERSHIP" THAT KEEPS ITS EYE ON THE TARGET OF ESTABLISHING A CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL TEAM.

THE DIRECTION WILL BE FUELED WITH CONSTANT COMMUNICATION TO ENSURE EVERYONE IS ON BOARD. WE WILL ATTACK THE VOYAGE WITH ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM TO OVERCOME THE OBSTACLES THAT WE WILL ENCOUNTER.

THIS VISION IS ENHANCED WITH RESOURCES AND TRADITION THAT STANDS IN THE FOREFRONT OF PROFESSIONAL SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS.


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DoddPower
10 years ago

[grin1] So, you believe Mike McCarthy is lying when he said he never thought about it? I don't.

I guess I can understand your spin of that statement because minus that it's indefensible and if you don't like objectivity you'll fight that with everything you have.

We have the wrong people running this thing without any question but you don't believe that.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I don't necessarily believe he's lying, I just think he rarely says anything of substance to the media. Fluff answers. Ted Thompson does the same thing, as does many NFL coaches and executives. It's just the way it is. Trying to thoroughly analyze things that say is just an exercise in futility, imo.

To answer your question: No, I do not think Ted Thompson or Mike McCarthy truly say what the think to the media. It has nothing to do with objectivity. Even if he was saying exactly what you or I wanted him to say, I would say the same thing. It's mostly rhetoric. Have fun analyzing every word they say though to fit your subjective narrative.
DoddPower
10 years ago

He's good at developing QBs. He developed Aaron and Matt, but wasn't able to bring Brohm or Coleman along. Harrell didn't have the physical attributes.

I think he thinks too much and I disagree with his offensive philosophy.

Here's one thing he said that I do not take seriously:

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I don't disagree with anything you are saying. I think he's a good coach, but not a great coach. I would like a bit more of a hard-ass. But the Packers offense will be OK. My biggest problem with him is keeping the likes of Dom Capers around. That's borderline inexcusable, imo.
Zero2Cool
10 years ago
Mike McCarthy is not good at developing QB's, if that were true, one of the previous QB's would have had success elsewhere. McCarthy is good at creating an offensive that QB's can succeed in.

I believe in McCarthy as a Coach OR as Play Caller, not as both.
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Mucky Tundra
10 years ago

Mike McCarthy is not good at developing QB's, if that were true, one of the previous QB's would have had success elsewhere. McCarthy is good at creating an offensive that QB's can succeed in.

I believe in McCarthy as a Coach OR as Play Caller, not as both.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Definitely agree with the bolded part. McCarthy has never struck me as a xs and os genius who can micromanage the game like Belichick but I'm not sure that many other coaches could have been as successful with the talent given him and the amount of young guys he's had to coach. But that might be the problem now-the core guys are no longer younger players and his message+approach needs to be re-tuned but at that point I don't think he's capable. I thought he might have been last season after his reaction to the loss vs the Eagles but he quickly reverted back. I stated in the chat after the 49ers loss that McCarthy should be in the hot seat and I still believe that.
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Tezzy
10 years ago
I believe in McCarthy because he has won. I am ready to reevaluate McCarthy as the coach after each season here on out.
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