earthquake
10 years ago

The lack of cap space comments were DUE TO the retention of Randall Cobb and Jordy Nelson. Cause and Effect my friend, cause and effect.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Also, the cost was $10M/yeah AND 2 first round picks. Retaining Jordy/Cobb will require contracts only, no draft picks.
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Dexter_Sinister
10 years ago

Man, Jordy Nelson is criminally underrated. Even by us packers homers!

Why do you feel that he is a #2 and not a #1?

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



#2 and #1 are more positions they play rather than hierarchic.
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StarrMax1
10 years ago

I think 24 million is too much guaranteed. You would be looking at 6 million a year in dead money minimum. I'd be surprised at anything over 15 or 16 in a 4 year deal. If you assume he will be around for the first three years anyway no sense not making the base higher and reducing the guarantee if he goes for it. Take away 9 million in guarantees add 3 million to each of the first three year's base and you have the similar numbers (adds 750 k for the first three years and reduces by 2.2 million the last year) It makes much more sense to the Packers and it reduces the dead money for the last year if worse comes to worse and they have to cut him lose. It adds a bit to the cap the first three years but reduces your 15 million number in 2018. They can also figure in this year still if they really want to and use up some of this years cap space. On the other hand if your/my numbers are agreeable to both sides it might be better to use this years money on Cobb and Bulaga.

Still, as a basic outline and numbers in general I think you are in the ballpark of what will get done and I think its very agreeable for both sides as Jordy will net 30 million assuming he plays out the first 3 years and is cut or restructures after that.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



Almost spot on sschind!!!! =d>

I guess I would be a players GM, guaranteeing them more then what was needed to get the deal done!!!

Just glad The deal got done!!!!

uffda udfa
10 years ago

Jennings is still the 9th highest paid WR in the league as far as average salary and that's after 2 consecutive injured seasons. He may have gotten less than he thought he would but I don't think it really lowered his earning power as much as you are trying to say it did.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



It absolutely lowered his earning power. Sometimes, it seems like you don't follow this team very closely. Do you realize what Greg Jennings turned down from the Packers prior to the season vs. what he ultimately signed for?

From JSOnline.com:

In 2012, when Jennings was near the peak of his powers, a source said talks on a multiyear extension ended when he turned down $11 million per year from the Packers, which was far less than the $15 million that he told the team he was seeking.
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10 years ago
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Jordy already reached an agreement. time to move on. [grin1]
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uffda udfa
10 years ago

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Jordy already reached an agreement. time to move on. [grin1]

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Perhaps. [grin1]
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But.... [boxing] Steve can't tell me that I'm wrong about Greg Jennings and the injury factor. The guy got less on the open market than he was offered as a Packer.

If you had to choose between Greg and Jordy a few years back, you don't have to now. Jordy over Greg. Jordy was younger.

It would've been interesting to see what happened at WR had we given Greg 11 mil. Where would that have left Jordy and Randall? I highly doubt Nelson is where he is today had Greg said yes a few years ago


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steveishere
10 years ago

It absolutely lowered his earning power. Sometimes, it seems like you don't follow this team very closely. Do you realize what Greg Jennings turned down from the Packers prior to the season vs. what he ultimately signed for?

From JSOnline.com:

In 2012, when Jennings was near the peak of his powers, a source said talks on a multiyear extension ended when he turned down $11 million per year from the Packers, which was far less than the $15 million that he told the team he was seeking.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Oh wow huge an anonymous source reportedly 11m to 9. I'd rather have a healthy Jordy Nelson for an extra season and pay 10 than lose him for a year and pay 8 or 9. I never said he didn't get less than he would have, my point was it wasn't a huge impact. The guy still got paid a lot of money and that was with not 1 but 2 seasons affected by injury.
uffda udfa
10 years ago

Oh wow huge an anonymous source reportedly 11m to 9. I'd rather have a healthy Jordy Nelson for an extra season and pay 10 than lose him for a year and pay 8 or 9. I never said he didn't get less than he would have, my point was it wasn't a huge impact. The guy still got paid a lot of money and that was with not 1 but 2 seasons affected by injury.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



The point, Steve, is you were unaware of this. For being labeled a "plant" and "troll" I know what is going on with the Packers and follow them very closely. This kind of thing has happened, repeatedly, here...I state something and then someone who is unaware of what I'm talking about tries calling me on it, and then I have to prove to them what I'm talking about. Or, someone will state something that conflicts completely with known facts about the NFL or the Green Bay Packers. In your case, to save face, you now mock the source even though it's been reported on a reputable Packers website.

It wasn't a huge impact? Are you joking? Tell me what happened to Green Bay's offer? It went from 11 million to 8 million. I would say that is a HUGE impact. He lost nearly 30% of his original turned down offer.

If you show up to work on Monday and they tell you they want to pay you around 30% less than they were last week would you consider that not a huge loss? Surely, you would.

What I said is accurate and correct. Jennings was very much negatively impacted by his injuries. His earning power was heavily reduced. Randall may find the same thing already, due to last year, but even moreso if he suffers another injury this season and that would be very beneficial to the financial interests of the Green Bay Packers. To be clear, I'm not rooting for it or wish it to happen, rather I would look on the bright side should that situation occur.

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Dexter_Sinister
10 years ago
Concern Troll
A person who posts on a blog thread, in the guise of "concern," to disrupt dialogue or undermine morale. They point out problems that don't really exist. The intent is to derail, stifle, control, the dialogue. It is viewed as insincere and condescending.

I think we have a match.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
uffda udfa
10 years ago

Concern Troll
A person who posts on a blog thread, in the guise of "concern," to disrupt dialogue or undermine morale. They point out problems that don't really exist. The intent is to derail, stifle, control, the dialogue. It is viewed as insincere and condescending.

I think we have a match.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



If that is how you wish to diminish me over the reality of the situation that is your call, Dex. I post under the "guise of concern"...umm, no. So, wrong on point 1. Yeah, I had no reason to suggest Jimmy Graham and feigned concern about our solid TE group? I feigned concern about TT's inability to go for it and stand relatively pat after 3 failed playoffs in a row two of which ended in total embarrassment.

I post to disrupt dialog?...umm...no. wrong on point 2.

I post to undermine morale?...umm...no. wrong on point 3.

I point out problems that don't really exist? Like losing 30% of an original offer? umm... no, wrong on point 4.

My intent is to derail, stifle and control dialog? LMAO. The postings I put up and debate are the heaviest viewed and replied to on this forum...by far. My intent is the exact opposite. Just as it is in the aforementioned points save for morale which isn't a concern of mine at all.

As to the last point... being viewed as insincere or condescending? That is something I can't speak to...if that is how you view it that is how you view it.

Your allegation here was about as accurate as your using a couple of stats to suggest Boykin was Jeffery's equal.

It is amazing the things that have been hurled in my direction since showing up here when the sole issue rests upon inaccurate and misguided posts not made by me.
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