uffda udfa
10 years ago

You can't see why they are good on a broadcast.

For example, Cobbs first TD reception.

Cobb blew the play and ran the wrong route.

Looks good to you. But it was a big mistake.

Since you don't know what the assignments are, what the correct read is, or what the rest of the players are doing, you can't tell from the broadcast if it is a good play or a lucky one.

The comment about Rodgers looks good on a TV Broadcast is not relevant. Because you can't see the details that actually make him that good. You see the results and assume it was his genius. But you couldn't tell us what the D allignment was, what his adjustment was, what his read was or even if he threw the ball to the right guy.

The coaches looking at the all 22 tape can see that.

Just because you can see Rodgers looks good on TV, doesn't mean you know why.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



Looking at coaches tape, I wouldn't have known that Cobb ran the wrong route. No tape would've shown me that.

I can watch a player on TV and see explosion, strength, escapability, great hands, body control...etc.

Yup, can't tell, period, if a guy is good or bad from watching TV? What? Clay Matthews looks like a player on TV. Since I haven't seen the coaches tape, I might be wrong? Do you reread your posts when you're done?
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10 years ago

Both of my touchdown were messups. Fortunately, we were able to make something happen, but I’m going to get negatives out of them tomorrow. I just have to learn from them and move on.

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Zero2Cool
10 years ago

I just noticed they signed him for three years. For a UDFA who made the roster via tryout, isn't that a little unusual?

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



Quite a few undrafted free agents are signed to multi year deals that are predicated on their being on the active roster. There is no risk involved due to no signing bonus and the contingency that they must be on the roster to earn the salary. If the player is cut, the team does not lose any money because of the extending years.

Basically, the contracts are not guaranteed and no portion of them is. Unless I'm not understanding it properly. Which, with how many loops an hurdles the NFL has, could be true.
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10 years ago

Quite a few undrafted free agents are signed to multi year deals that are predicated on their being on the active roster. There is no risk involved due to no signing bonus and the contingency that they must be on the roster to earn the salary. If the player is cut, the team does not lose any money because of the extending years.

Basically, the contracts are not guaranteed and no portion of them is. Unless I'm not understanding it properly. Which, with how many loops an hurdles the NFL has, could be true.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I guess I hadn't noticed it then. What you said makes sense. Care to list examples?
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Wrong routes can be a good thing. Defense studies the offense tendencies. They know what layers will do when they are running certain routes what the receiver will do when the defense plays inside or outside.

So if Cobb doesn't do what is expected and Aaron has the time to make the adjustment the defense will be out of play because they anticipated something else.
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Zero2Cool
10 years ago

I guess I hadn't noticed it then. What you said makes sense. Care to list examples?

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/green-bay-packers/ 

I think that is what you're asking for?
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uffda udfa
10 years ago
The point on Cobb and his wrong route is that the only way you would know if it was wrong, is if you knew what the play call was in the huddle and what that play called for each person to do. No tape is going to tell me what the play call was, or what Randall should've done. We only learned it was wrong after it was told to us. The announcers who witnessed it, Cris Collinsworth being one of them, played NFL WR at a high level and didn't pick up on it.


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mi_keys
10 years ago

The point on Cobb and his wrong route is that the only way you would know if it was wrong, is if you knew what the play call was in the huddle and what that play called for each person to do. No tape is going to tell me what the play call was, or what Randall should've done. We only learned it was wrong after it was told to us. The announcers who witnessed it, Cris Collinsworth being one of them, played NFL WR at a high level and didn't pick up on it.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



In fairness, Chris Collinsworth is often too busy listening to himself to provide any real insight on what's going on in the game.
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nerdmann
10 years ago
This three year deal sounds very much like what they did with Sam Shields.


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uffda udfa
10 years ago

This three year deal sounds very much like what they did with Sam Shields.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I'm not sure what all the confusion is about...3 year deals are the standard.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4743149/closer-look-at-rookie-free-agent-deals 

The collective bargaining agreement dictates that all contracts signed by rookie free-agents are three years in length with a minimum value of $1.44 million over the life of the contract. But not all rookie free agent contracts are exactly the same, as teams can guarantee differing amounts of money to each player upon signing them.

If you draft the guy you give 4 year deals, unless they're 1st rounders, they get 5 year deals. That is why Minnesota moved back into Round 1. They wanted to have the 5th year option on a rookie QB. If they had traded up to pick 1 in Round 2, they would've been forced to sign Bridgewater to a 4 year deal.
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