What scenario has changed? I said before we started debating the merits of letting Lyerla go that, yes, in theory, he could clear two roster spots, which, in effect, really only nets you one.
I do acknowledge he needs to make the team same as John Kuhn and Ryan Taylor. You seem to indicate Lyerla has to make it but Kuhn and Taylor are already there but need to be kicked off for him to make it. Not so... Kuhn and Taylor are fighting for a job in the same way Lyerla is so I would say your premise is flawed.
Not sure how you want me to answer your scenario... If Richardson is the better player he should start. Doesn't always happen due to draft status and contract status but that's what should happen.
No, it wouldn't make Ha Ha a bust if Richardson is the starter. Ha Ha may not be ready. We don't know... the thing is we pretty much know Ha Ha is making the team. I don't believe there has ever been a scenario where a team cut a 1st rounder right after drafting him.
What I think you are missing is Kuhn and Taylor are fringe members of this roster (Kuhn didn't used to be) and Lyera, from talent perspective, is a 1st round kind of a guy. John Kuhn and Ryan Taylor are not and were not ever anywhere near 1st round talent guys.
If you really think about what you're saying, you sound like you would've been the type of fan who was happy to see Sam Shields get cut when he was a talented UDFA in favor of keeping ST's ace, Jarrett Bush. We obviously kept both, but if a choice had to be made I would've preferred Shields because of the upside we saw with him. You probably would've been screaming you wanted the guy who downed a punt every 3rd or 4th game vs. a guy who turned into one of the cornerstones (no pun intended) of this team. I recall Joe Whitt saying Shields would've been a 1st rounder with his talent. He proved to be right. Thank God we didn't cut the talented Sam Shields in favor of a fringe member of our roster.
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Again, don't care what I sound like to you, and you are completely wrong "of what kind of fan I am", and I don't really care, what you think.
You must have been on the debate team at school, always trying to find a way to validate your point.
The topic was real simple, you stated Lyerla could free up 2 spots on the roster,
I said let's let him make the team 1st before we start cutting proven veterans.
The difference between you and me, you think you know how to evaluate talent and know how to build a successful roster for the Packers.
I know I don't have a clue how Ted and Co. think, I just know that Ted doesn't willy nilly resign guys just to cut them and he doesn't cut guys who are proven commodities.
I also don't have any problem with any player Ted and Mike decide to keep.
At the end of TC, whoever runs out on that field are the guys Ted has decided to represent The Packers and you won't here me saying "they should have cut this guy" or they should have kept that guy.
You will never hear me say "this guy or that guy sucks", you will never hear me call anyone of these guys "scrubs"
Every one of these guys have worked their entire life to become NFL players, some have had it more easily than others, at the end of the day it's not always the 53 most talented guys who make up a winning roster, it's the 53 guys who know what it means to be part of a team, and to play as a team not individuals.
That's the kind of fan I am, and have taken a lot of grief from some on this forum for being that type of fan.
Again, I don't care.
There's a reason The Packers are never in "Cap hell" anymore, it's because Ted does show a little loyalty to the guys he brings in.
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