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10 years ago

Oh, absolutely, I understood what you meant and I agree. I wasn't trying to explain anything to you in particular. I was just using your post as a jumping off point. It does make you wonder why he took this guy when others may not have looked so highly upon him. That is totally a natural reaction for a fan to have. That is painfully obvious simply by reading the opposite reactions on this site. One guy loves the pick and the other guy hates it. Why?

I rely very heavily on these "experts" opinions since I don't follow college football at all and I don't know much if anything about these guys. Maybe that is why I don't get as worked up about these picks as some of you do. I don't have my own opinion on them so I tend to think that the guys who study them know more about them than those who may not. If you watch a lot of college football and have strong, knowledge based, opinions fine but even then, I doubt most people have studied the film as much as the GMs have. Especially when it comes down to the 3rd round and later guys.

Your part about him making a career out of taking players sooner than others would may seem very obvious to us but I would venture to guess that the vast majority of fans feel that way about their GMs as well.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I wasn't taking it personal. It's all good.



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steveishere
10 years ago

I watched one of those highlight videos where it shows every snap in a game. Some things that stood out to me were:
- He penetrates into the backfield a lot
- When he doesn't penetrate, he doesn't get pushed off his spot much at all
- He was constantly hustling, which is impressive for a guy his size. He was already around the play, even downfield.

Originally Posted by: MassPackersFan 



Always first off the snap and he hits the guy across from him with his hands with violence.
warhawk
10 years ago
I think this is a great example of how important the personnel team is in the process.

Thorton played on one of the worst teams in college football. Did not get the benefit of having good players around him. Opposing offensive coordinators could pick multiple ways to play around the one good player on the D line or afford to give him a heavy dose of double teams.

This is how you dig deep and find diamonds in the rough. I wonder where this kid would have been ranked had he played on a good football team that received a whole lot more national exposure. A team where the players around him would be a benefit vs. a liability.

He certainly seems to have the size, speed, and athletic ability to hang with better known defensive linemen in this draft.

I look at this as the anti-Linsley pick. Ohio St. guy on a very successful team with good players along side him in a highly touted run offense. No offense to Linsley it's just easier to find players like him playing for a big time program.


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play2win
10 years ago

I think this is a great example of how important the personnel team is in the process.

Thorton played on one of the worst teams in college football. Did not get the benefit of having good players around him. Opposing offensive coordinators could pick multiple ways to play around the one good player on the D line or afford to give him a heavy dose of double teams.

This is how you dig deep and find diamonds in the rough. I wonder where this kid would have been ranked had he played on a good football team that received a whole lot more national exposure. A team where the players around him would be a benefit vs. a liability.

He certainly seems to have the size, speed, and athletic ability to hang with better known defensive linemen in this draft.

I look at this as the anti-Linsley pick. Ohio St. guy on a very successful team with good players along side him in a highly touted run offense. No offense to Linsley it's just easier to find players like him playing for a big time program.

Originally Posted by: warhawk 



Awesome point warhawk!

Imagine if he were from Alabama or Florida State... Would he have gone higher than Donald? Think about that, and who Ted drafted there, at 86 in R3.

Granted, same could be applied to many players. It is nonetheless an interesting point.
Mucky Tundra
10 years ago
Packers going smaller faster on DL 

How relevant is this thread to this pick I wonder?
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DarkaneRules
10 years ago
And to that point probably why we didn't get as many D guys this draft. It is time to make defense fit the players we have right now.
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steveishere
10 years ago
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/khyri-thornton-vs-arkansas-2013/ 

The Arkansas C is Travis Swanson who got drafted in the 3rd round. Looks like Kyri kicks his butt a few times.
uffda udfa
10 years ago
How many more high picks does Dom need?

Julius P 1st rounder
Datone 1st rounder
Raji 1st rounder
Hawk 1st rounder
Clay 1st rounder
Perry 1st rounder
Dix 1st rounder
Worthy 2nd rounder
Hayward 2nd rounder
Neal 2nd rounder
Burnett 3rd rounder
Thornton 3rd rounder

We could have as many as SEVEN 1st rounders on the field at the same time.

Only Hyde (5th), House (4th), Jones (7th) and our two UDFA CB's Williams and Shields should be contributors this year. I guess Mulumba, Bradford, Barrington and Lattimore could see some moments, too. Pretty amazing we have two UDFA's at starting CB one of the hardest positions to fill. Gives me hope we can find another guy, or two, from our UDFA crop this year.

I think we've dumped more than enough resources into the D. A lot of young high picks who haven't figured out which way they're going to go yet.

Man, would it be nice for a "lowly" 3rd rounder take the D by storm this year.

EDIT: Just watched the link in post before mine... Man, I'd be lying if I said that was anything but discouraging. He made a couple of plays but either got stoned completely and pushed back (pancaked once) or runs into the backfield with no purpose. Seems to jog after play goes away from him. There must've been some other thing the staff saw that wasn't on this clip.
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Mucky Tundra
10 years ago
Khyri Thornton 

Some videos on the guy. Haven't watched any of the other videos on this guy yet so not sure if these are repeats.
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