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play2win
Senior Member

10 years ago

You guys always discuss the physical aspects of the football players. Why can't you ever discuss the mental aspects as well. An argument could be made that Nick Collins was our best safety because of his freakish physical ability and all the ground he could cover. But I'll take Leroy Butler because of his intelligence. When the Packers added Eugene Robinson to the fold, that safety play was incredible. I don't think the Packers have the cerebral talent at safety that we have seen in the past. It takes more than lucking out getting physical freaks like Collins. In the long haul, finding the cerebral assassins at the position is way more important.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

Gives me an appreciation for some players I was wrongly eliminating from consideration, like Terrence Brooks and Jimmy Ward, and that is what I like about Clinton-Dix, Pryor and Deone Buccanon. Ed Reynolds. Ahmad Dixon.

Couple that football intelligence, the drive to study film, along with incredible instincts and physical ability, and that is Safety utopia.

gbguy20
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#22

we didn't lose to chicago with rodgers last year.

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play2win
Senior Member

10 years ago

#23

we didn't lose to chicago with rodgers last year.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

Yeah, he was hurt on the first drive v. CHI. You're right.

nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

Not only that, but the ability to react and play the ball in the air. That seems to be a special skill.

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DakotaT
Select Member

10 years ago

#25

Seems to me the whole league is safety deprived lately. A quality safety is almost as important as an elite quarterback.

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#26

In 2013 we lost to SF with Rodgers, twice. We lost to CIN with Rodgers. We lost to CHI with Rodgers. In 2011 we lost to SF with Rodgers, twice. We lost to SEA, IND, NYG and MIN, all with Rodgers.

This season, we face ATL, CAR, NE, NYJ, PHI, NO, TB, BUF, MIA and SEA outside of our division. Hell yeah I can see us losing to a number of those teams, not to mention our division rivals.

Originally Posted by: play2win

All the while, CONTENDING, right? Which of those teams on any week, would you pick to beat Aaron Rodgers and the Packers? Sure, we slip up a couple of times, but we can and should beat all of them.

I agree with you, this is kinda a dead horse in the sense that we BOTH want the Packers to upgrade the defense, especially Safety. I'm just saying, contending is one thing, and we already do that. Dominating is the goal, and as you said yourself with the Jairus Byrd remark, we aren't far from that.

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texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#27

I'm gonna have to basically agree with Dakota on the thing about attributes of a good Safety. Being "cerebral" is more of a consideration. Being a physical freak is more in the resume of Corners - Collins was a Corner before he was a Safety. The question is, where are we gonna find something like that? I still say drafting Clinton-Dix despite his 4.6 speed, but with his coverage and ball skill abilities would be the best move ....... and then come back and get Loston or Dixon or whoever in the 3rd or 4th.

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play2win
Senior Member

10 years ago

#28

Yeah, I think we all recognize where the team stands and what we will need to improve. This could be really fun for all of us fans seeing this team move forward with added talent. I guess the sky is the limit should everything fall into place from a personnel standpoint, and the staff gets a better handle on avoiding injury and how to best utilize their players.

Wade
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#29

"Packer", "defense," "dominant."

One of these words does not fit.

I'm glad they signed Peppers. Even assuming he is as advertised, though, that at most moves this defense into the realm of "average."

I'm glad people are optimistic, though.

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texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#30

Originally Posted by: Wade

The odd word out is "defense". The PACKERS are as close to DOMINANT as they are because of Aaron Rodgers. If you can combine that with even an average defense, and you have a pretty DOMINANT team.

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