Seahawks over 2014 salary cap· Page 6

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

I would make the argument that the Packers are currently a dynasty. 5 straight years in the playoffs, including a Super Bowl Championship. Best record in the league in 2011. MVP still in his prime.

In today's salary capped league, that's about as good as you can hope for a dynasty. Another year in playoffs and another Super Bowl (2015!) and it's not even arguable. In my opinion.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan

Gotta win at least TWO to be a dynasty.

Just one, and you're a fart in the wind.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

play2win
Senior Member

11 years ago

#52

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan

When Mike McCarthy's team gets 3 Superbowl wins, then I would consider the Packers a dynasty. I really believe that is what it would take, that magic number of 3 or more.

Making the playoffs however many years is all well and good, but the only measure of "dynasty" is SB wins IMO. Anything less than winning the whole enchilada just doesn't fit the equation.

The Packers were a dynasty. The Steelers were. The 49ers were. The Cowboys were. The Patriots were. The Packers could have been and should have been again in the Holmgren years, extending to the Sherman years. Never happened though. The Steelers came close to having another dynasty, but they won just the two with Roethlesburger. That's my line of thinking on dynasties. Giants almost got there and still might. Seattle looks primed for a dynasty run if they play their cards right.

cheeseheads123
Member

11 years ago

#53

If you quit 'sighing' and actually read, I believe I said that Seattle had the #26 pass OFFENSE. Since a phase of their game was bad, obviously they are not a good team and will be returning the Trophy.

News Flash- The NFL announced that they will no longer be seeding the playoffs based on record. They will instead pick the most balanced teams and include them in the playoffs, without regard for whether the teams actually won any games. Roger Goodell said " Obviously, by using actual wins and losses, great, blanced teams such as the Cowboys continually fail to reach the playoffs, while 1 dimensional teams such as Green Bay and Denver, do. In an effort to level the playing field, we will do away with records and focus on what teams feel best about themselves."

The 49ers had the #24 ranked total offense this year. Guess they weren't a good team at all.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan

There is more to an offense than passing. Seattle was ranked 7 in points per possession on offense. That is damn good. It doesn't matter how they score points as long as they are scoring points.

You and I must have a different definition of balanced. The cowboys are not a balanced team. They had a terrible defense.

2011 Packers

Offense: 2.85 points per possession good for 2nd in the league
Defense: 1.89 points per possession good for 23rd in the league.

2010 Packers

Offense:1.97 ranked 8th in the league
Defense: 1.24 ranked 2nd in the league

2013 Seahawks

Offense:2.12 ranked 7th
Defense: 1.17 ranked 1st

Not to mention that Steelers team the Packers played in the Super bowl in the 2010 had identical stats as the 2010 Packers.

QCHuskerFan
Member

11 years ago

#54

You and I must have a different definition of balanced. The cowboys are not a balanced team. They had a terrible defense.

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123

Actually, the Cowboys are very balanced. They choke on both offense and defense!

My comment was meant as a criticism of the NFL making decisions to benefit the big market teams. It was not serious. Even the NFL respects the value of actually winning games.

For the final time: I am not arguing that the 2010 team was not good. I am saying that the 2011 team was better. Because they actually won games instead of posting stats. Ok. Their defense was not as good. But they won games. That is all that matters. Go to Vegas. They don't refund your bet if your team loses but it's stats are good. Wins matter.

2010 was reeling early in the year with injuries. Then they stabilized and started winning. It's infectious and they got on a roll. So if you ignore the first 2 months of the season, they were a great team. But you can't choose to ignore half the season.

Sentimentally, the 2010 season was great. It was probably my favorite. That team overcame a lot and their late season run was amazing. But you can't lose 6 games and be a great team.

I'm done.

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texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#55

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan

The Packers ARE a dynasty or close to it anyway by staying so close to the top for so long.

We got hurt by injuries and other forms of bad luck, and we have a GM who has not done what it takes to make the team even better, but we have the greatest QB possibly in NFL history - following a decade and a half of having arguably the greatest in history until Rodgers came along. That alone is dynastic. If we had just added a little bit more - which was well within the team's financial ability to do, we coulda/woulda/shoulda won a lot more SBs.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#56

If they cracked Manning's hand signals code through diligent film study, more power to them.

Originally Posted by: play2win

This is true, but it would make them look "more talented" than they are.

Fuck them. Overrated.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Wade
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#57

Dynasties don't merely make the playoffs. They contend for titles for multiple years. They win substantially more playoff games than they lose.

One-and-done is the sign of a reasonably good team. It is not the sign of a dynasty.

The current Packers team doesn't qualify. And merely making the playoffs for one game next year wont make them a dynasty either.

IMNSHO.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#58

Originally Posted by: Wade

At least they weren't completely humiliated this year. lol

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

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