sschind
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11 years ago
In the "How far are the Packers from a Super Bowl" thread talk has turned to Guaranteed Super Bowl wins. Since there is no way to guarantee a SB win I thought it might be fun to see what everyone would be willing to put up with for a guaranteed SB win.
wpr
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11 years ago
I f get a "guaranteed SB every 5 years i would be willing to go 0-16 for the 4 years in between.

Ok realistically they could go 4-12, 6-10, 8-8, 10-6 and SB Champs and I would be fine with that. A few wins or loses each year would work fine too. Two straight years of 8-8 are acceptable too.

I guess the question really is do you want to win games or win championships? I will take championships.

Look at the Bears during the past 10 years for an example. (Lovie's time and Trestman's first year)
They have been:
2004 5-11
2005 11-5
2006 13-3
2007 7-9
2008 9-7
2009 7-9
2010 11-5
2011 8-8
2012 10-6
2013 8-8

They have a winning record. 89-71. That is an average of 9 wins a season. 1 SB appearance. (They lost.) 3 playoff appearances.

Over the past 10 years have the Bears fans been happy? Not really. Why not they have 5 winning seasons. 2 more .500 seasons and only 3 below .500 seasons. (2 of those were 7-9) Like everyone else outside of Jacksonville and a few other teams, fans want to win championships. Were Buffalo fans content at making it to the SB four straight years not really.

Give me a SB every 5 years and the rest don't really matter. Give me one every 3 years and I would accept 0-16 for the 2 years in between.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
You just said, there is no way to guarantee a Super Bowl win, so what kind of an answer are you looking for?

As a matter of football, I wouldn't want the Packers to sacrifice any future seasons for a HIGHLY PROBABLE Super Bowl win, but I could see having them put themselves on the brink of "cap hell" to get the help they need before the end of the Aaron Rodgers era.

You know, we have been pretty spoiled with Favre then Rodgers. 5 or 10 years from now, when Aaron retires, it could get pretty messy - unless God continues to bless the Green Bay Packers with ANOTHER best QB in football. Until then, a few sacrifices are in order to bring the supporting cast up to standard.
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steveishere
11 years ago
What fun would it be to have a guaranteed Superbowl. No way I'd want to suffer through 4 0-5win seasons just to guarantee a SB win. That's 4 years of completely miserable football, which just sounds awful. Id rather be able to watch 4 years of good enjoyable football and not know if we were going to win in any of them.
texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

I f get a "guaranteed SB every 5 years i would be willing to go 0-16 for the 4 years in between.

Ok realistically they could go 4-12, 6-10, 8-8, 10-6 and SB Champs and I would be fine with that. A few wins or loses each year would work fine too. Two straight years of 8-8 are acceptable too.

I guess the question really is do you want to win games or win championships? I will take championships.

Look at the Bears during the past 10 years for an example. (Lovie's time and Trestman's first year)
They have been:
2004 5-11
2005 11-5
2006 13-3
2007 7-9
2008 9-7
2009 7-9
2010 11-5
2011 8-8
2012 10-6
2013 8-8

They have a winning record. 89-71. That is an average of 9 wins a season. 1 SB appearance. (They lost.) 3 playoff appearances.

Over the past 10 years have the Bears fans been happy? Not really. Why not they have 5 winning seasons. 2 more .500 seasons and only 3 below .500 seasons. (2 of those were 7-9) Like everyone else outside of Jacksonville and a few other teams, fans want to win championships. Were Buffalo fans content at making it to the SB four straight years not really.

Give me a SB every 5 years and the rest don't really matter. Give me one every 3 years and I would accept 0-16 for the 2 years in between.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I would NOT be fine with that!!!!

I prefer an outstanding team every season. If we come close and fall short, THAT is better than being in the toilet the in between years.


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wpr
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11 years ago

I would NOT be fine with that!!!!

I prefer an outstanding team every season. If we come close and fall short, THAT is better than being in the toilet the in between years.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



you are allowed to have a different opinion. Outstanding teams that don't win anything are nothing special. There are dozens and dozens of teams in every sport just like that. Winning championships is special.

Keep in mind I am answering sschind's question of what would I be willing to put up with. If they went 16-0 every year but only won the SB every 5 years I could live with that too.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

you are allowed to have a different opinion. Outstanding teams that don't win anything are nothing special. There are dozens and dozens of teams in every sport just like that. Winning championships is special.

Keep in mind I am answering sschind's question of what would I be willing to put up with. If they went 16-0 every year but only won the SB every 5 years I could live with that too.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



And you are entitled to your opinion too hahahaha. I just disagree - with the orginal, not the 16-0 every year but not winning 4 of 5 SBs.
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PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago
I'd be willing to put up with living with the most obnoxious Bears, Vikings and Lions fan for one year. If it guaranteed a SB win for the Packers.
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musccy
11 years ago
I know this is a hypothetical argument, but I don't like the premise....something can be done to ensure you win a Super Bowl on 5 year intervals, and the Packers aren't currently doing that. What is this magical formula for success? How can I say what I'd live with/accept if I don't know what the team is doing to somehow achieve this.

Are they selling the farm on FAs? I'm not a fan because they don't always pan out and it leads to cap hell.

Are they trading away 5 draft picks to get 3 first rounders? First rounders don't always pan out (J. Reyonlds, J. Harrell, T. Mandarich, T. Buckley...)

Settle for a mid-tear QB that you only have to pay 5-8mil/year on so you can spend more on other positions? Not a fan, I've loved watching Favre and Rodgers at their best.

Of course I'd love the Packers to win (at least) once every 5 years, I'd probably give up beer for that (OK, who am I kidding) but I also enjoy that the Packers are at least competitive each year and I'd much rather go into 5 off seasons with hope than just 1 out of every 5.

TheKanataThrilla
11 years ago
I think I am on the same page as steve on this one. I would rather have a chance every year and be competitive than be awful for many years and be a winner. I will admit that I hate losing more than I like winning and I love winning. I would probably put up with players and coaches that I despise if that meant they put us over the top or perhaps some cap hell years that made us less competitive. An 0fer season. No way. A 0-16 season would hurt me more than a Superbowl win would make me happy. Don't know if that makes sense.
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