steveishere
11 years ago

Simply delete the sarcasm, and what you say makes great sense. Why didn't they play better? Personnel - Raji, Pickett, B. Jones, Jennings .......

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Thing is there are guys on the team that have looked better than those 3 that stay on the bench but Capers still won't make any moves to take them out of the games.
DoddPower
11 years ago

Simply delete the sarcasm, and what you say makes great sense. Why didn't they play better? Personnel - Raji, Pickett, B. Jones, Jennings .......

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



lol, if you say so. Of course the Packers have some average to bad players. So do most defenses. But they also have several good or better players. Moreover, they show they CAN play very well, at times, but are wildly inconsistent. There are enough players available that can get the job done.

texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

There is more than enough evidence against the Packers defense in recent years. I see no reason why anyone couldn't understand that. The Packers haven't done enough recently to give many people a whole lot of faith in them. I give the team all the credit in the world for beating Dallas. They deserve it. But one half of decent football doesn't change what has been a mediocre at best defense for some time now. I usually view things in the bigger picture, and one game, good or bad, doesn't change my opinion much. They deserve credit for today's win, but so does the offense. And why couldn't they have played better in the first half?

I still have little faith in the Packers defense against top tier teams, and especially QBs. Of course they could change my meaningless opinion because there are still games left, but I'm not holding my breath, and wouldn't bet on it. Overall, I just think that this Packers defense is average, at best, and has been for some time now. And I don't think that's enough to win a Super Bowl. They need to play like they played in the second half against Dallas consistently, and I'm not sure there's much evidence to support the conjecture that they will (but of course I'm hoping they will).

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



How can you write something as sensible as that, and STILL blindly defend Ted Thompson? In addition to the D, all that was good on offense was in spite of the bad O-Line play - repeated extreme rush on Flynn as well as very very few holes for Lacy to run through.


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steveishere
11 years ago

How can you write something as sensible as that, and STILL blindly defend Ted Thompson? In addition to the D, all that was good on offense was in spite of the bad O-Line play - repeated extreme rush on Flynn as well as very very few holes for Lacy to run through.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Lol both of those are completely untrue. There were a handful of plays where Lacy was hit in the backfield or pressure got to Flynn quick but in the game as a whole the blocking was excellent in both areas.
DoddPower
11 years ago

How can you write something as sensible as that, and STILL blindly defend Ted Thompson? In addition to the D, all that was good on offense was in spite of the bad O-Line play - repeated extreme rush on Flynn as well as very very few holes for Lacy to run through.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Where exactly am I explicitly "blindly" defending Ted Thompson? I don't even think I've mentioned his name. You're seeing what you want to see. Obviously Ted Thompson is part of the problem on defense. I assumed that's rhetorical. But in my opinion, I think Dom Capers is a bigger problem. Could Dom Capers be more effective with better personnel? Sure. So would most defensive coordinators. But from what I see, I think he should have been and should continue to get more out of what he currently has, just like he did during the second half of the Cowboys game. I just don't think he's been getting the most out of his players lately.
steveishere
11 years ago
Bakhtiari completely destroyed Ware in the 2nd half. That's our under 300lb 4th round rookie vs the best pass rusher of the last decade.
DakotaT
11 years ago

Thing is there are guys on the team that have looked better than those 3 that stay on the bench but Capers still won't make any moves to take them out of the games.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



We did see Boyd out there quite a bit today, but maybe that had more to do with Jolly's injury. My feelings won't be hurt if neither Raji or Pickett are not on the team next season.

We got very lucky today against a very bad defense. But why did our offense look so anemic in the first? You're playing for your playoff lives, shouldn't they have played with a heartbeat? Why does it take a motivational speech at halftime from a backup player to get the team going? They are paid professionals, and they've deserved every bit of criticism they've gotten this season.
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DakotaT
11 years ago

Where exactly am I explicitly "blindly" defending Ted Thompson? I don't even think I've mentioned his name. You're seeing what you want to see. Obviously Ted Thompson is part of the problem on defense. I assumed that's rhetorical. But in my opinion, I think Dom Capers is a bigger problem. Could Dom Capers be more effective with better personnel? Sure. So would most defensive coordinators. But from what I see, I think he should have been and should continue to get more out of what he currently has, just like he did during the second half of the Cowboys game. I just don't think he's been getting the most out of his players lately.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Get use to it if you continue to discuss anything with that man. I've taken the burden for the whole forum, but if you want to take over for me, by all means, continue. [grin1]
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DakotaT
11 years ago

Bakhtiari completely destroyed Ware in the 2nd half. That's our under 300lb 4th round rookie vs the best pass rusher of the last decade.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I think Ware must have hit him in the manhood at some point, cause Bacteria was noticeably pissed, and that might have been the catalyst for Ware's demise.
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buckeyepackfan
11 years ago

I don't know what game you were watching but the Packers D played extremely well in the second half. Your at Dallas, Philly loses, they were humiliated last week, and with Romo, Murrey, Witten, 88, and Austin they can score on anybody.

Knocked down passes on 3rd down, hurries on Romo, sacks, INT's (both awesome individual efforts by the way), and 10 points.

You know it's time some around here figured out that the teams we play CAN PLAY and many have just as much to lose as we do.

Oh yeah, I'll add that the defense could have quit in the second half too but I saw anything but quit in anybody.

By the way Dodd this isn't so much directed at you but it just pisses me off to read all these comments and analysis about how Dallas lost this game and how smart people are here on this board when the simple truth of the matter is the Packers came out in the second half and took the game over in all three phases and beat their ass.

I've NEVER seen a team so backed up against the wall, in one game, and for the season, and do what this team did today.

Originally Posted by: warhawk 



"Hanging tough: For all the struggles the Packers had on defense through the first three quarters of the game, it can’t be neglected that what gave them any prayer of coming back was holding the Cowboys to so many field goals.

Dallas settled for five field goals from K Dan Bailey, four of them from 45 yards and out. The biggest stand came after an interception by QB Matt Flynn gave the Cowboys the ball on the Green Bay 20-yard line late in the second quarter, but a sack by Mike Daniels forced a three-and-out.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Bad-ankle-and-all-Eddie-Lacy-toughs-it-out-goes-over-1000-yards/a6740d19-e8b9-4874-bcdf-b7b0b188de8a 

All part of a ballgame. Defense kept The packers in the game until The offense caught fire, then it was game on.
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Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Had Carter not gone to Philly were they already had a lot of old college friends, he ends up in a similar spot to Aaron Hernandez
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TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Getting Carter and Nolan Smith in the first round in 2023 was pretty darn good
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