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DoddPower
11 years ago

How would a broken collar bone end his career?

He has to be able to take a hit. I'm just saying they need to err on the side of risk.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Why? This team is NOT winning the Super Bowl this season, with or without Rodgers. There are too many injuries, too much shitty coaching, a horrible defense, and pathetic special teams. The offense is good, but not good enough to overcome the rest. Why risk further injury and 5-6 months of substantial recovery if Rodgers is further injured for a futile season?

I understand that's a very pessimistic view, but I suppose I'm just a super bowl or bust kind of guy. Plus, I think the Packers could benefit from the higher draft picks along with the guys returning healthy. Moreover, I'm worried if some units like the defense start playing JUST good enough for a few games, it might save some coaches jobs (like Dom Capers), which would be a bad thing. Sometimes I want things to just get REALLY bad, because it's probably the only way any true changes will be made in this franchise.
nerdmann
11 years ago

Why? This team is NOT winning the Super Bowl this season, with or without Rodgers. There are too many injuries, too much shitty coaching, a horrible defense, and pathetic special teams. The offense is good, but not good enough to overcome the rest. Why risk further injury and 5-6 months of substantial recovery if Rodgers is further injured for a futile season?

I understand that's a very pessimistic view, but I suppose I'm just a super bowl or bust kind of guy. Plus, I think the Packers could benefit from the higher draft picks along with the guys returning healthy. Moreover, I'm worried if some units like the defense start playing JUST good enough for a few games, it might save some coaches jobs (like Dom Capers), which would be a bad thing. Sometimes I want things to just get REALLY bad, because it's probably the only way any true changes will be made in this franchise.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



This is a team that has had it's back to the wall MANY times.

In fact it seems to me that they never even really start trying hard UNTIL they have their backs to the wall. They've turned it around before.
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Gaycandybacon
11 years ago
He was asked on his radio show a couple weeks back if he would still play if the Packers have no chance for the playoffs. He said yes and it wouldn't be like him to sit out just because of that. I highly doubt he's gonna miss the rest of the year, even if it's even one or two games.
DoddPower
11 years ago

He was asked on his radio show a couple weeks back if he would still play if the Packers have no chance for the playoffs. He said yes and it wouldn't be like him to sit out just because of that. I highly doubt he's gonna miss the rest of the year, even if it's even one or two games.

Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon 



Yeah, of course Rodgers would never want to sit out. He has too much pride, and I'm sure there are many financial incentives for him to play (triggers in his contract, endorsements, etc.). But the organization could easily take the choice away from Rodgers via injured reserve. They certainly seem to have done so with Franklin.

I know it's not going to happen, and it's probably best it doesn't. But the futility of this season and the draft spots the Packers are likely to lose aren't very enticing to me. Even if the Packers turn things around, I don't see them winning the Super Bowl this season. They'd be lucky to win a game in the playoffs. The Saints, Seahawks, 49'ers, Lions, and the Panthers are simply better teams this season, and that's just in the NFC.
Bigbyfan
11 years ago

I say Rodgers is done for the year why risk him that could end his career? The biggest thing on this article is why the fuck do they get Friday Saturday and Sunday off? Hell they already took off Thursday, after a game like that the coaches should be pissed off and make the bastards practice even more.

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



Because they're beat up and had a very early bye week.


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Gaycandybacon
11 years ago

Yeah, of course Rodgers would never want to sit out. He has too much pride, and I'm sure there are many financial incentives for him to play (triggers in his contract, endorsements, etc.). But the organization could easily take the choice away from Rodgers via injured reserve. They certainly seem to have done so with Franklin.

I know it's not going to happen, and it's probably best it doesn't. But the futility of this season and the draft spots the Packers are likely to lose aren't very enticing to me. Even if the Packers turn things around, I don't see them winning the Super Bowl this season. They'd be lucky to win a game in the playoffs. The Saints, Seahawks, 49'ers, Lions, and the Panthers are simply better teams this season, and that's just in the NFC.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I don't care if we make the playoffs. Sorry to say but I'm tired of hearing that excuse that if we did get there that we won't win the Superbowl anyways. I just wanna win. I hate seeing teams give up on a season just for higher draft picks. Especially the team I root for.

If I had to choose a moment though between winning one game right now with Rodgers, and actually making it to the playoffs. I'd be happier having won a game with him. Because we have not won a game in 5 weeks. I hope it doesn't come down to IRing him. That would be depressing even though it seems to be the best thing for his health.
DoddPower
11 years ago

I don't care if we make the playoffs. Sorry to say but I'm tired of hearing that excuse that if we did get there that we won't win the Superbowl anyways. I just wanna win. I hate seeing teams give up on a season just for higher draft picks. Especially the team I root for.

If I had to choose a moment though between winning one game right now with Rodgers, and actually making it to the playoffs. I'd be happier having won a game with him. Because we have not won a game in 5 weeks. I hope it doesn't come down to IRing him. That would be depressing even though it seems to be the best thing for his health.

Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon 



Rodgers isn't going to go on injured reserve, it's just hypothetical discussion. I understand your desire to see wins. I feel that too. But with this team and an elite QB, I'm just a Super Bowl or bust kind of guy. Making it to the divisional round of the playoffs and getting embarrassed again doesn't make me feel better at all. Sometimes, it's just not a teams year, and they need some serious retooling. I don't think it would take much to get this team over the top, but it needs what it needs badly. Drafting in the mid 20's with no trade ups or holes filled via free agency just isn't likely to do that, imo.
StoicFire
11 years ago

Moreover, I'm worried if some units like the defense start playing JUST good enough for a few games, it might save some coaches jobs (like Dom Capers), which would be a bad thing. Sometimes I want things to just get REALLY bad, because it's probably the only way any true changes will be made in this franchise.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



These sound like the words of someone following a bad football team. A team that hasn't made the playoffs four years running. A team that isn't only three years removed from a Super Bowl victory. A team who doesn't have arguably the best player in football on their roster. I know this week hurt, and hell, the whole month has really, but I don't think this is a franchise that needs major changes made.

I honestly believe that if we were as healthy as the Lions are, we'd be 9-3 right now, 2 games up on Detroit and feeling pretty good about ourselves and our chances. I think our problems may fix themselves with time, making a coaching or personnel overhaul unnecessary.
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Mucky Tundra
11 years ago
While at this point I don't they're in a hurry to bring back Rodgers, I can't see him sitting out the rest of the year. I think he'll play at least the final two games.
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DoddPower
11 years ago

These sound like the words of someone following a bad football team. A team that hasn't made the playoffs four years running. A team that isn't only three years removed from a Super Bowl victory. A team who doesn't have arguably the best player in football on their roster. I know this week hurt, and hell, the whole month has really, but I don't think this is a franchise that needs major changes made.

I honestly believe that if we were as healthy as the Lions are, we'd be 9-3 right now, 2 games up on Detroit and feeling pretty good about ourselves and our chances. I think our problems may fix themselves with time, making a coaching or personnel overhaul unnecessary.

Originally Posted by: StoicFire 




Look at what I wrote just above:

I don't think it would take much to get this team over the top, but it needs what it needs badly.

DoddPower wrote:



I don't think the Packers need a whole lot at all. However, they do need what they need badly. Without substantial improvement in a few week areas (coaching, offensive line, line backers, safety), this team is highly unlikely to win more than one game in the playoffs. That might be good enough for many, but with a player like Aaron Rodgers, that's just not good enough for me. I want more, and think it's completely reasonable so long as a few weaknesses are addressed.

Moreover, the Packers ARE a bad football team right now. It doesn't really matter what they have done in previous seasons. The Super Bowl is a distant memory. All they have done in recent seasons is do decent to well in the regular season and then get humiliated in the playoffs. That's not a "great" football team to me, and I certainly don't think the problems are just going to "fix themselves in time" if they maintain the status quo. The past few seasons don't offer any evidence of that, as things have only gotten a little worse.

I don't consider changing defensive coordinators and adding some more top talent as a major overhaul. I just consider it as addressing weaknesses of a football team. Perhaps we just view things differently, though.

Of course the Packers would be better if they were more healthy. The reality is, they are not healthy, and they usually aren't. There's no reason to believe they will be "healthy" next season, or the season after. Therefore, improvements need to be made to still be a a really good football team even with several key injuries. It's certainly not easy, and could be close to impossible, but they have to find a way. Staying healthy is mostly just a matter of luck, it would seem, so hopefully their luck changes soon, but I wouldn't count on it. I have no idea what changes could be made in the conditioning program that would actually change much. Perhaps slight improvements could be made.
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beast (6h) : And horrible time management multiple times... and not being able to score more than 3 points on a team with talent
beast (6h) : Realizing the Bears didn't fix it from the previous week and do the same thing, getting the game to overtime
beast (6h) : They probably are not tanking, but they've absolutely mismanagement some things, such as Vikings seeing the Packers blocked FG and realizing
Zero2Cool (7h) : Crazy of Bears to have that mindset that is
Zero2Cool (7h) : Hail Mary stop away from 5 - 2. Not sure how that flips to tanking. Crazy mindset if true
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Mucky Tundra (17h) : The Seattle Seahawks defeat the Chicago Bears 6-3. Jason Myers had 6 RBIs for Seattle while Cairo Santos had 3 RBI for Chicago
beast (18h) : Not nessarily, he might of been injured either way. He's playing about 50% of the games the last 4 years
Zero2Cool (26-Dec) : If they'd been more patient with him, he'd be back already. Putting him out there vs Bears caused him to tweak it and here we are.
packerfanoutwest (26-Dec) : well this is his last season with the PAck, book it
beast (26-Dec) : Sounds like no Alexander (again), I'm wondering if his time with the Packers is done
Zero2Cool (26-Dec) : Could ban beast and I still don't think anyone catches him.
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Zero2Cool (25-Dec) : Merry Christmas!
beast (25-Dec) : Merry Christmas 🎄🎁
beast (24-Dec) : Sounds like no serious injuries from the Saints game and Jacobs and Watson should play in the Vikings game
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : both games Watson missed, Packers won
Martha Careful (24-Dec) : I hope all of you have a Merry Christmas!
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Oh I know about Jacobs, I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to mimic Zero lol
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : Jacobs was just sat down, Watson re-injured that knee that kept him out 1 game earlier
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : I needed .14 that's. .14 points for the whole 4th quarter to win and go to the SB. Lol
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Jacobs gonna be OK???
Zero2Cool (24-Dec) : Watson gonna be OK???
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
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