nerdmann
11 years ago

I think with that statement you should go do some homework and look up other teams injury history this season. Yes, every team deals with injuries but I am willing to bet that the Packers injuries are far beyond the injuries of other teams. Am I using this as an excuse to their losing? No, just an observation here.

Let's start with beginning of the season.
Bryan Bulaga at left tackle- OUT for season, torn ACL. Enter 4th round rookie, Bahktairi.

Week 1:
Morgan Burnett and Casey Hayward- OUT

Week 2:
Morgan Burnett and Casey Hayward- OUT
Eddie Lacy injured in game.

Week 3:
Eddie Lacy, John Kuhn, Morgan Burnett, Casey Hayward and Jarret Bush- OUT
Jermichael Finley and Randall Cobb injured in game.

Week 5:
Casey Hayward, Randall Cobb and James Starks- OUT

Week 6:
Casey Hayward, Brad Jones, Clay Matthews, Mike Neal, Randall Cobb and James Starks- OUT

Week 7:
Casey Hayward, Brad Jones, Clay Matthews, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, James Starks, Randall Cobb and James Jones- OUT
Jermichael Finley injured in game.

Week 8:
Jermichael Finley, James Jones, Randall Cobb, Clay Matthews, Nick Perry and Brad Jones- OUT

Week 9:
Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Andy Mulumba, Jermichael Finley, Randall Cobb and James Jones- OUT
Aaron Rodgers and TJ Lang injured in game.

Week 10:
Aaron Rodgers, Jermichael Finley, Randall Cobb and Andy Mulumba- OUT
EDS, Don Barclay, Casey Hayward and Johnny Jolly injured in game.

Week 11:
Aaron Rodgers, Jermichael Finley, Randall Cobb, Don Barclay, Casey Hayward, Nick Perry and Sam Shields- OUT



That is a pretty ridiculous line of injuries right there and I think that would be hard to match. I added James Starks and Andy Mulumba because at the time of their injuries, they were receiving significant playing time because of either playing well or due to other injuries.

Originally Posted by: Yerko 



No doubt whatsoever that our injury report could kick the ass of any injury report group in the league.

But that AIN'T why we've been losing.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
sschind
11 years ago
Without actually doing a side by side comparison of all teams like you did with the Packers it is a bit presumptuous to claim that the Packers have been hit by injuries harder than any other team. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that it may seem like we are hit harder just because we look at he Packers injury list every week. Do we scrutinize every other teams injury list week in and week out to see if we are at the top? I don't think so. If you do and can provide the evidence then good for you and please proceed. Even so I can see why we would think that we are hit harder every year. It sure seems like we are. I just get tired of the injury excuse even if there is a grain of truth to it.

That said I am getting a little tired of saying "when we get everyone back we will be looking great" It seems every year we look forward to training camp next year and some great battles because everyone will be healthy. Is it because we draft injury prone guys? Is it because our conditioning regimen sucks? I can't answer that. I don't know what the answer is but I am getting sick and tired of the question.
warhawk
11 years ago

We didn't lose these last two (or three) games due to injuries.

We lost these games, because or OC and DC have their heads up their asses.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I beg to differ.

You put Rodgers, Cobb, Perry, a two handed Mathews, and Finley back on that field and Vegas doesn't get a dime on any of the three teams they just lost to.
At some point the cumulative effect of multiple (good) players out cannot be overcome. COULD they have won a couple of games with all the guys out right now? Yes. My point is we don't lose any of these with the guys named above In the game.

Consistency. How you supposed to achieve this with all the shuffling of players?
Example:
We score a TD against the Giants to bring us back to 20-13.
The D finally steps up gets sacks and we get the ball back right away.
The comeback is on, right?
BOOM! Pick six. Game over.
We simply don't have the quality veteran players on the field to consistently make and prevent big plays for us.

Another example:
Shields is a late scratch. No one saw that one coming.
Compensate with Hyde. Did the best he could but Cruz gets targeted 11 times with 8 catches for over a 100 yds and a TD. NY went right after this matchup as well they should.

Jesus HC. When is enough ENOUGH? And when can it be said the injuries ARE the problem here.




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nerdmann
11 years ago

I beg to differ.

You put Rodgers, Cobb, Perry, a two handed Mathews, and Finley back on that field and Vegas doesn't get a dime on any of the three teams they just lost to.
At some point the cumulative effect of multiple (good) players out cannot be overcome. COULD they have won a couple of games with all the guys out right now? Yes. My point is we don't lose any of these with the guys named above In the game.

Consistency. How you supposed to achieve this with all the shuffling of players?
Example:
We score a TD against the Giants to bring us back to 20-13.
The D finally steps up gets sacks and we get the ball back right away.
The comeback is on, right?
BOOM! Pick six. Game over.
We simply don't have the quality veteran players on the field to consistently make and prevent big plays for us.

Another example:
Shields is a late scratch. No one saw that one coming.
Compensate with Hyde. Did the best he could but Cruz gets targeted 11 times with 8 catches for over a 100 yds and a TD. NY went right after this matchup as well they should.

Jesus HC. When is enough ENOUGH? And when can it be said the injuries ARE the problem here.



Originally Posted by: warhawk 



We didn't need roster consistency to beat the Giants. What we needed was to not let their WRs run down the field uncovered.

On offense, stop running Lacy into a 9 man box. Stop throwing predictable passes into a 9 man box.

Tolzien was 6 for 6 on passes + 15 yards. That is in large part, because the NY defense was stacking the box. What's the whole point of having this running game? To draw down an extra guy (or two) into the box. So you can throw it over their heads.

Then when they drop back, you run the ball again.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
The_Green_Ninja
11 years ago

We didn't need roster consistency to beat the Giants. What we needed was to not let their WRs run down the field uncovered.

On offense, stop running Lacy into a 9 man box. Stop throwing predictable passes into a 9 man box.

Tolzien was 6 for 6 on passes + 15 yards. That is in large part, because the NY defense was stacking the box. What's the whole point of having this running game? To draw down an extra guy (or two) into the box. So you can throw it over their heads.

Then when they drop back, you run the ball again.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



And you do remember that most of Tolzien's interceptions were due to that 9 man box coming at us, yes? If anything, you should be agreeing with Mike McCarthy. Interceptions kill a game and if Tolzien, an unproven rookie, had his day with all that pressure we would have seen more picks. Nerdmann, I think you need to look beyond "their weaknesses" and look at ours due to injuries. He was 6 for 6 because we ran, because we only gave him 6 passes. If we wanted to just give up there, we would have gone by a Nerdmann playbook.

Tolzien is not Rodgers. Rodgers is an all-star MVP soon-to-be legend. Tolzien is a rookie that had played 3/4 of a game with no real experience. Learn the difference, son.
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DarkaneRules
11 years ago
I will just say this. Each team has the same number of players on the field. Do your job!
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gbguy20
11 years ago

I would agree with the story about not contributing but then again just like most other years Ted Thompson drafts guys that are injury prone or as soon as they get on the field they get injured. I think they need to do something with practices or even change strength coaches. I would also suggest hiring a yoga instructor for all the hamstring injuries.

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



no one should get their workout bonus this off season unless they are doing yoga.
Yoga should become mandatory.
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RaiderPride
11 years ago
Objective journalism and an opinion column are about as similar as the Bible and Playboy magazine.

--- Walter Cronkite ---


I agree with so many of you above who note the time frame and injury challenges.

Personally I feel strongly the class of 2012, in three years will be looked on as one of Ted's gems.
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