Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I'm not trying to blame the defense here. I'm just trying to see if this season is actually aberrant, or if it's a more common phenomenon that we realize. It would appear from the numbers you've produced that it's actually not an uncommon phenomenon.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
15 years ago

If were talking points per game, why are we taking points off the board? that's almost as stupid as saying "well if Grant didn't have that 45 yard run his average would only be 3.5 instead of 5.2".

It is what it is. Just like when Rodgers throws a pick and its a good pass that's been tipped in the air. It's a pick, period.

"dhazer" wrote:



I was saying that because people are saying its all the defenses fault without giving the d their credit for scoring the most points in the NFL. I did the stats just for the offense alone and our offense isn't that great we rank 12th in scoring.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

Then why do it half ass? Why don't you throw up some numbers about where the Packers were forced to start out at because the defense couldn't make a stop?
UserPostedImage
dhazer
15 years ago

If were talking points per game, why are we taking points off the board? that's almost as stupid as saying "well if Grant didn't have that 45 yard run his average would only be 3.5 instead of 5.2".

It is what it is. Just like when Rodgers throws a pick and its a good pass that's been tipped in the air. It's a pick, period.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I was saying that because people are saying its all the defenses fault without giving the d their credit for scoring the most points in the NFL. I did the stats just for the offense alone and our offense isn't that great we rank 12th in scoring.

"dhazer" wrote:

Then why do it half ass? Why don't you throw up some numbers about where the Packers were forced to start out at because the defense couldn't make a stop?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Or maybe do when the offense couldn't move the ball and the defense had to start on the wrong side of the 50?

I started a new thread of you want to move these last posts there because we got off topic in here.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
UserPostedImage
longtimefan
15 years ago

I'm not trying to blame the defense here. I'm just trying to see if this season is actually aberrant, or if it's a more common phenomenon that we realize. It would appear from the numbers you've produced that it's actually not an uncommon phenomenon.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



http://packershome.com/index.php?name=ForumsPro&file=viewtopic&t=2882&highlight=2007 

last year total of 49 tds...had 3 from D and s/t take those away thats 46 tds...

322 points ....31 fg or 93 points...

415 points===

26 points per game on offense in 2007


This year so farfor up to 14 games

42 tds take away the 8 from D and s/t thats 34 tds or 238 points..........

25 fg...75 points for total of 313 points..for an average of about

22 points on offense



So......4 points per game more last year...



D this year 335 points giving up

About 24 points per game



2007 gave up 18 points per game


Thats 6 more points per game the D is giving up this year
longtimefan
15 years ago

Damn i just can't make you guys happy i give you the biggest pt differentials and w-l records not good enough, I show you the most points scored by losing teams and thats not good enough. Like i showed you the Chiefs led the league in scoring one year and finished 8-8 and showed the Cards were -53 and finished 9-7. I know you guys want to blame everything on the defense but if you look you will see that the Cards and Broncos gave up more points than us and they are both going to the playoffs. Btw you might want to redo the points stats if you are using the offense, the defense and st have scored i believe its 6 int tds, 1 fumble ret td, and 2 punt returns for tds so out of the 371. 371-54 = 317 which drops our average down to 22.7 a game. Also take those 54 and take them off points the defense gave up (because it equals it out) 285 pts so the defense is holding there own 20.3 pts a game is what there average would be. Ok i know im playing around with the numbers but its an all around team that is at fault. Take that average of 22.7 pts a game and we would be ranked 19th in offense.



ok now im intrigued if i take all the non offensive tds away who whould be the highest scoring team.


We would actually drop from #5 all the way down to #12 in offensive scoring.

"dhazer" wrote:



I wasnt trying to tick you off..

Truly wanted to see how those teams defenses ranked..

So if there is a correlation with high points, bad records,and bad defenses
longtimefan
15 years ago

2008 Chargers actually are worse than us with +44 and (6-8)
2006 interesting Seahawks -6 playoffs, Giants -7 playoffs
2004 KC Chiefs were +48 and finished (7-9)
2003 Tampa +37 (7-9), 49ers +47 (7-9)
2002 Jags +13 (6-10)
2001 Chargers +11 (5-11)
2000 Jags +40 (7-9)
hows this 1998 Cards -53 (9-7)

"dhazer" wrote:



dhazer, these statistics are fascinating, and I greatly appreciate your taking the time to look them up. Can you find comparable statistics for teams that have scored as many points as the Packers have (371 pts for an average of 26.5 PPG)? It's hard for me to believe there have been many teams with losing records that have scored that many points per game. But I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




2005 rams 363 points (6-10)
2003 49ers 384 points (7-9)
2002 Vikings 390 points (6-10) side note highest scoring team KC finished (8-8)
2001 Colts 413 points (6-10)
2000 49ers 388 points (6-10)
1996 Ravens 371 points (4-12)


It was interesting to see how some of the highest scoring teams didn't have the most wins.

"dhazer" wrote:



2005 Rams gave up 429 points most in the league

2003 Niners gave up 337 points 10th in the league

2002 Viks gave up 442 highest in the league

2001 Colts gave up 485 points league high

2000 Niners gave up 422 points, 3rd highest

1996 Ravens gave up 441 points 3rd highest in the league


2008 Packers so far


339 points given up 13th worse so far
4PackGirl
15 years ago
this is some cool stuff, guys. thanks to DH (did i just say that?) & LT for taking the time to post these interesting figures! +1 for ya both! 😃
zombieslayer
15 years ago

Brett Favre is the best QB ever to play the game.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



No. He. Objectively. Is. Not. 

But thanks for playing. :physassult:

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Wow. You found a link of someone's opinions and quote them as fact.

I'm impressed.

I'm being sarcastic of course. Wish I could dock a -1.

Steve Young is underrated. A better QB than Brady, but didn't have the TEAM or the Coaching behind him that Brady had. And you're probably new here, but I've said repeatedly that I never include anyone prior to 1976 because I didn't see them play except for highlight reels. Had Young had Brady's team, he'd probably have 5 SB wins.

Another reason is you can't compare eras. DBs were able to hit WRs the whole way down. Now, if a DB practically looks at the WR wrong, they get a penalty flag on them. Completely different eras. You can't compare them.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Similar Topics
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    packerfanoutwest (34m) : NFL told Bears that Packers’ blocked field goal was legal
    packerfanoutwest (17h) : 49ers are underdogs at Packers, ending streak of 36 straight games as favorites
    Zero2Cool (22-Nov) : 49ers might be down their QB, DL, TE and LT?
    packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : Jaire Alexander says he has a torn PCL
    Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : Even with the context it's ... what?
    Mucky Tundra (20-Nov) : Matt LaFleur without context: “I don’t wanna pat you on the butt and you poop in my hand.”
    beast (20-Nov) : We brought in a former Packers OL coach to help evaluate OL as a scout
    beast (20-Nov) : Jets have been pretty good at picking DL
    Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He landed good players thanks to high draft slot. He isn't good.
    Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He can shove his knowledge up his ass. He knows nothing.
    beast (20-Nov) : More knowledge, just like bring in the Jets head coach
    Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : What? Why? Huh?
    beast (19-Nov) : I wonder if the Packers might to try to bring Douglas in through Milt Hendrickson/Ravens connections
    Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : The Jets fired Joe Douglas, per sources
    packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Jets are a mess......
    Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Pretty sure Jets fired their scouting staff and just pluck former Packers.
    Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Jets sign Anders Carlson to their 53.
    Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : When you cycle the weeks, the total over remains for season. But you get your W/L for that selected week. Confusing.
    packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
    packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
    packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the totals are accurate..nrvrtmind
    Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : I don't follow what you are saying. The totals are not the same as last week.
    packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : ok so then wht are the totals the same as last week?
    Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : NFL Pick'em is auto updated when NFL Scores tab is clicked
    Martha Careful (19-Nov) : The offense was OK. Let's not forget the Bear defense is very very good.
    packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Who updates the leaderboard on NFLPickem?
    beast (19-Nov) : Has the Packers offense been worse since the former Jets coach joined the Packers?
    Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Offense gets his ass in gear, this could be good.
    Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Backup QB helped with three wins. Special Teams contributed to three wins.
    bboystyle (18-Nov) : Lions played outside thats why. They scored 16 and 17 in the only 2 outside games this year
    Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : The rest of the NFL is catching up to Packers ... kicking is an issue throughout league
    packerfanoutwest (18-Nov) : Packers DL Kenny Clark: We knew 'we were going to block' Bears' game-winning field goal attempt
    Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Lions seem to be throttling everyone, but only (only) got 24 lol maybe the rain is why
    Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Packers vs Lions game doesn't seem so bad.
    beast (18-Nov) : Dennis Green "They are what we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!"
    Martha Careful (17-Nov) : comment of the day Z2Cool "Bears better than we want to admit. Packers worse than we think. It's facts."
    Mucky Tundra (17-Nov) : my worst case scenario: Bears fix their oline and get a coach like Johnson from the Lions and his scheme
    Zero2Cool (17-Nov) : Bears get OL fixed amd we might have a problem
    buckeyepackfan (17-Nov) : Pretty sure they already have scouting reports on guys who aren't even starting for their college team. The future is now for me.
    buckeyepackfan (17-Nov) : I tend to let Gute and Co. Worry about the future.
    beast (17-Nov) : That's great news and Packers need to keep upgrading their OL, DL and DBs this off-season, so missing one guy doesn't kill them
    beast (17-Nov) : That's great news and Packers need to keep upgrading their OL, DL and DBs this off-season, so missing one guy doesn't kill them
    buckeyepackfan (17-Nov) : Jaire and Evans Williams are both ACTIVE! Good news.
    Martha Careful (17-Nov) : The badgers really need to change the whole offensive scheme. No draws no screens plus the quarterback is marginal
    Cheesey (17-Nov) : If the Badgers had a decent QB, they would have won. The guy can't hit a wide open receiver
    Martha Careful (17-Nov) : chop block
    Martha Careful (17-Nov) : there was a very questionable job Block call that upon viewing replay was very borderline
    beast (17-Nov) : How so? (I didn't watch)
    Zero2Cool (17-Nov) : Badgers got hosed vs Oregon
    packerfanoutwest (16-Nov) : damn,he hasn't played since week 2
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2024 Packers Schedule
    Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
    Eagles
    29 - 34
    Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
    COLTS
    16 - 10
    Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
    Titans
    30 - 14
    Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    29 - 31
    Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
    Rams
    24 - 19
    Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
    CARDINALS
    34 - 13
    Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
    TEXANS
    24 - 22
    Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Jaguars
    30 - 27
    Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    14 - 24
    Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
    Bears
    20 - 19
    Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
    49ERS
    Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
    DOLPHINS
    Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
    Lions
    Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
    Seahawks
    Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
    SAINTS
    Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
    Vikings
    Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
    BEARS
    Recent Topics
    26m / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

    3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    22-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    19-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

    19-Nov / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

    19-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    19-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.