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Porforis
Veteran Member

12 years ago

I don't see it changing either but I guess I still have some hope and stubbornness left. Give me a decade or so, I'm sure I'll be just as jaded (or moreso) as you. 😛

wpr
Preferred Member

12 years ago

#12

Can't say that I like the idea of removing the KO. I would rather see it eliminated on the HS level first.

Maybe bump it up to college after that maybe not. After all if the pros keep it it would not be good for no one to have any experience in how to cover or block on a KO return.

wpr
Preferred Member

12 years ago

#13

In the overall scheme of things this would be bad for the smaller market (not Green Bay.) & weaker teams as the need for the 45th-53rd players to be special team would be somewhat eliminated. (Yes there will still be punts for a while.)
That means the bigger market teams like Dallas will look to fill their rosters with players who will contribute on offense and defense. They will be able to stash more dbs, lbs and wrs on their rosters. The same for the teams with stronger winning traditions.
Players who would get more playing time on teams like Jacksonville or Kansas City will opt to sit in reserve and be ready to step in when injuries occur on the bigger better teams. The larger markets will not see the significant drop off due to injuries that other teams will have. Many players would rather sit and have a chance for a SB ring than to play more on a perennial losing teaming.
Parity will be in jeopardy.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

12 years ago

#14

I've conceded to the notion of less kickoffs, not zero kickoffs.

I think there is something about a 'kickoff' to start a game, or half that just shouldn't be eliminated. It gets people pumped up. How many times have you heard someone say 'oooh cant wait for the first snap' versus 'oooh cant wait til kickoff'?

Kickoff to start the game.
Kickoff to start 3rd quarter.
When team scores, they get 4th and 20 on their own 35 yard line to which they can go for it, or punt.

Punting from the 35 gives more opportunities of pinning someone back, thus, raising the importance of a punter to slightly offset the loss of value of a "kickoff specialist" which I don't think are too many anymore.

gbguy20
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#15

2. What would happen on a defensive penalty that was less than 15 yards but generated a first down. Defensive holding would come to mind. Would it result in a first down and retain possession? It would be just another play that we get to watch the offensive players beg for a flag. Any Flag.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

i am sure i am missing something, but what does this have to do with kickoffs or the lack there of?

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Porforis
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#16

i am sure i am missing something, but what does this have to do with kickoffs or the lack there of?

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

If they went ahead and gave you 4th and 15 instead of giving you a kickoff, any sort of defensive penalty giving an automatic first down would be huge.

Not to say it's a huge concern IMO but the penalty would be extra costly here.

gbguy20
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#17

If they went ahead and gave you 4th and 15 instead of giving you a kickoff, any sort of defensive penalty giving an automatic first down would be huge.

Originally Posted by: Porforis

still have no idea what you guys are talking about.

edit: just went through the rest of the thread. Are these comments based on the idea that after a score there would be some sort of 4th down and not just the other team getting the ball at the 20? where did that come from?

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

12 years ago

#18

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

If you score a FG or TD, you kick the ball to the other team...currently... the proposed alternative from Roger Goodell is instead of kicking off, the team whom scored retains the ball on the 30 yard line on a 4th and 15 situation to which they can go for it (simulating the opportunity of an onsides kick) or they can elect to Punt the ball.

gbguy20
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Based on the injury stats for punt and kickoff plays posted earlier in the thread, what the hell would this idea accomplish?

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