dfosterf
12 years ago
We have the discount double-check.

Get back to work, media/$$/houndassholes.

RaiderPride
12 years ago
WOW!

What a great thread.

I love reading this stuff. It is food for the mind.
""People Will Probably Never Remember What You Said, And May Never Remember What You Did. However, People Will Always Remember How You Made Them Feel."
macbob
12 years ago

That's because we had big leads.

When you have the lead, as we did in most of 2011, you can run. We pretty much dominated most games in regular season last year.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



Zombie-When we went through this discussion before, we had Packers stats going back to 1992 looking at the running game. 1st 3 quarters were basically equal in rush attempts, the 4th quarter there was a spike up--2 rushes on average more than the rush attempts in quarters 1-3. So yes, there was a spike up from having a lead and running it to run out the clock, but it was statistically insignificant. It was around a 3% spike.

We also had analysis of when the Packers were within 7 pts, either ahead, tied, or behind, and the #s were the same--the running percent was in the 40s. These were close games, not games when we were blowing out the opponent.

Go back and look at the threads. Next post will have the stats from last season.
macbob
12 years ago

That's because we had big leads.

When you have the lead, as we did in most of 2011, you can run. We pretty much dominated most games in regular season last year.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



OK. 2011 regular season stats, source ESPN.com

Packers....Ahead by 9+...by 1-8...tied...down by 1-8...down by 9+
Pass........69..................199.....60.......111...........38
Run.........65.................131.....24........72...........14

...........+9............+ 1-8....Tied.....-1-8.........-9+
P/R %....51/49......60/40...71/29....60/40........73/27

Totals
within +/- 8 = 370/227 = 61/39%
overall = 537/330 = 61/39%

So, last year when we were 15-1 in the regular season and pretty much dominant in most games, when the games were close (within 😎 we basically maintained a 60/40% split.

I expected the spike up when behind by two scores, and the spike down when ahead by two scores.

Two things surprised me--McCarthy spiked up on Pass calls when we were tied, and he didn't when we were behind by 1-8. The down 1-8 percentage was the same as the up by 1-8 percentage. In any event, feel free to keep calling for a 60/40% pass/run split. I'm good with that, too, Zombie.
play2win
12 years ago
macbob, our numbers look nothing like that this year. That's for sure. Had they been more balanced, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion, standing at 3-0 or 2-1.

I think we are around 70-30 so far this season. Take away the Bear game, and we're more like 80-20.

The bigger point in all of this, and I tried making a case for this around draft time, is that teams have had plenty of time to figure us out. No more back shoulder throws for big gains because their DBs are sitting on those. Safeties over the top. Pass rush full on, knowing we are not going to run.

All the more reason for the team offensive philosophy to shift, become more run oriented, and force the change on the opponent as opposed to the inverse. Many teams loaded pass rush in their front 7s. Those are faster, yet lighter players who tend to wear out when they get continually pounded on having to fight off run blocking.

This year, we ought to be forcing the run on any team we meet. Improve upon it in all phases. That will open up all the other great pass plays we have in our arsenal. All of those great plays won't work as effectively if we don't run. Pretty simple stuff.
nyrpack
12 years ago
comes down to our o- line, have not been doing the job for several yrs. now !!
jimmy b.
Packfan87
12 years ago
I love what Benson's doing for us, but every time he touches the ball I hold my breathe for a fumble. Maybe that's not fair, but we can't have turnovers especially from our ground game.
BAD EMAIL because the address couldn ot be found, or is unable to receive mail.
PackerTraxx
12 years ago

comes down to our o- line, have not been doing the job for several yrs. now !!

Originally Posted by: nyrpack 



...since the Super Bowl.

Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
macbob
12 years ago

This year, we ought to be forcing the run on any team we meet. Improve upon it in all phases. That will open up all the other great pass plays we have in our arsenal. All of those great plays won't work as effectively if we don't run. Pretty simple stuff.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Agreed. Don't be one dimensional. At the same time, as Zombie points out, the rules have been adjusted to favor the passing game. We'd be foolish not to exploit that.

I don't want to see us become a run-oriented team, I would just like a little more balance in the attack than we've shown this year (last year was great). Looking at the WCO of the 49ers in their heyday, and the Packers of the 90s, they both averaged around a Pass/Run ration of 58%/42%.

A more-balanced attack helps our passing game by slowing down the pass rush as the DL has to account for a possible running play; tiring the DLine, improving our Offense all around later in the game; forcing the LB/DBs to honor the run threat of a play-action pass, helping our WRs get open easier, etc.

zombieslayer
12 years ago

OK. 2011 regular season stats, source ESPN.com

Packers....Ahead by 9+...by 1-8...tied...down by 1-8...down by 9+
Pass........69..................199.....60.......111...........38
Run.........65.................131.....24........72...........14

...........+9............+ 1-8....Tied.....-1-8.........-9+
P/R %....51/49......60/40...71/29....60/40........73/27

Totals
within +/- 8 = 370/227 = 61/39%
overall = 537/330 = 61/39%

So, last year when we were 15-1 in the regular season and pretty much dominant in most games, when the games were close (within 😎 we basically maintained a 60/40% split.

I expected the spike up when behind by two scores, and the spike down when ahead by two scores.

Two things surprised me--McCarthy spiked up on Pass calls when we were tied, and he didn't when we were behind by 1-8. The down 1-8 percentage was the same as the up by 1-8 percentage. In any event, feel free to keep calling for a 60/40% pass/run split. I'm good with that, too, Zombie.

Originally Posted by: macbob 



Agreed. That looks about right.

61/39 is good when you have the OL. We may have to go 55/45 with this joke of an OL.

2011 OL for some reason was lightyears ahead of 2012's.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (4h) : Defensive Player of the Year and Browns star Myles Garrett has requested a trade.
Zero2Cool (6h) : deleted all my browser history and autofill and passwords. gonna be fun!
packerfanoutwest (19h) : too funny
packerfanoutwest (19h) : Lions QB Jared Goff was the offensive MVP
packerfanoutwest (19h) : for the Pro Bowl, which is flag football
Zero2Cool (20h) : Rather, the murder WAS covered up to prevent ...
Zero2Cool (20h) : JFK murder was a cover-up to prevent war with Cuba/Russia.
Martha Careful (1-Feb) : I have always admired the pluck of the man
Zero2Cool (1-Feb) : I remember thinking he was going to be something good.
Mucky Tundra (1-Feb) : The Dualing Banjo!
Zero2Cool (31-Jan) : Jets have named Chris Banjo as their special teams coordinator, Former Packers player
Zero2Cool (31-Jan) : Jaguars have hired Anthony Campanile as their DC. We lose coach
Zero2Cool (30-Jan) : QB coach Sean Mannion
Zero2Cool (30-Jan) : DL Coach DeMarcus Covington
dfosterf (30-Jan) : from ft Belvoir, Quantico and points south. Somber reminder of this tragedy at Reagan Nat Airport
dfosterf (30-Jan) : So eerily quiet here in Alexandria. I live in the flight path of commercial craft coming from the south and west, plus the military craft
dfosterf (30-Jan) : So eeri
Mucky Tundra (30-Jan) : Now that's a thought, maybe they're looking at the college ranks? Maybe not head coaches but DC/assistant DCs with league experience?
beast (30-Jan) : College Coaches wouldn't want that publicly, as it would hurt recruiting and they might not get the job.
beast (30-Jan) : I thought they were supposed to publicly announce them, at least the NFL ones. Hafley was from college, so I believe different rules.
Mucky Tundra (30-Jan) : Who knows who they're interviewing? I mean, nobody knew about Hafley and then out of nowhere he was hired
beast (30-Jan) : I wonder what's taking so long with hiring a DL coach, 2 of the 3 known to interview have already been hired elsewhere.
Zero2Cool (27-Jan) : Packers coach Matt LaFleur hires Luke Getsy as senior assistant, extends Rich Bisaccia's deal
Zero2Cool (27-Jan) : Chiefs again huh? I guess another Super Bowl I'll be finding something else to do.
Mucky Tundra (27-Jan) : Chiefs Eagles...again...sigh
dfosterf (27-Jan) : Happy Birthday Dave!
Mucky Tundra (27-Jan) : happy birthday dhazer
TheKanataThrilla (26-Jan) : Exactly buck...Washington came up with the ball. It is just a shitty coincidence one week later
buckeyepackfan (26-Jan) : I forgot, they corrected the call a week later. Lol btw HAPPY BIRTHDAY dhazer!
buckeyepackfan (26-Jan) : That brings up the question, why wasn't Nixon down by contact? I think that was the point Kanata was making.
buckeyepackfan (26-Jan) : Turnovers rule, win the turnover battle, win the game.
packerfanoutwest (26-Jan) : well, he was
TheKanataThrilla (26-Jan) : Eagles down by contact on the fumble....fuck you NFL
Mucky Tundra (26-Jan) : I think this games over
beast (26-Jan) : Eagles sure get a lot of fumbles on kickoffs
Mucky Tundra (26-Jan) : This game looks too big for Washington
packerfanoutwest (26-Jan) : that being said, The Ravens are the Browns
packerfanoutwest (26-Jan) : Browns, Dolphins have longest AFC Championship droughts
packerfanoutwest (26-Jan) : As of today, Cowboys have longest NFC Championship drought,
beast (26-Jan) : Someone pointed out, with Raiders hiring Carroll, the division games between Carroll and Jim Harbaugh are back on (who can whine more games)
beast (26-Jan) : I'm confused, Pete Carroll and Brian Schottenheimer? When Todd Monken, Joe Brady, Kellen Moore, Kliff Kingsbury and Zac Robinson are availab
Zero2Cool (25-Jan) : Any reason I'm catching a shot here about my intelligence?
Martha Careful (25-Jan) : thank you Mucky for sticking up for me
Martha Careful (25-Jan) : some of those people are smarter than you zero. However Pete Carroll is not
Mucky Tundra (24-Jan) : Rude!
beast (24-Jan) : Martha? 😋
Zero2Cool (24-Jan) : Raiders hired someone from the elderly home.
dfosterf (24-Jan) : I'm going with a combination of the two.
beast (24-Jan) : Either the Cowboys have no idea what they're doing, or they're targeting their former OC, currently the Eagles OC
Zero2Cool (23-Jan) : Fake news. Cowboys say no
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

2-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

1-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

1-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

27-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / packerfanoutwest

27-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

25-Jan / Random Babble / Martha Careful

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.