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12 years ago
After two games (three including the Giants loss last year), I am scratching my head at the play of our Wide Receivers. While approaching the deadline for the final roster, one point of discussion was that we have alot of depth at Wider Receivers. The implication is that other teams would envy having so many elite wide receivers. The other possibility is that we just have a bunch of #2s or 3s. Here are some thoughts:

Greg Jennings: A valid #1. Get him healthy.
Randall Cobb: From the looks of things, Jennings replacement.
Donald Driver: Consistent, but not the guy to look to to get separation or create a big play opportunity.
Jordy Nelson: Maybe last years stats were beyond his talent. I still think he is reliable but I question if he is a playmaker. Maybe I can't get over the fact that he is white.
James Jones: Guy is running out of chances.
Finley: TE but used as WR in many opportunities due to his athleticism. He will make some great plays but is far from reliable. His game play give him the Overrated label.




One other very important piece to the puzzle is Aaron Rodgers. Awesome QBs create great WRs. I notice that he has been throwing some zingers that, although they may be catcheable, some touch may have given the WR a better opportunity to complete the play. I don't know whether this was because he was nervous or because he recognized that he needed to get the ball fast before the D could adjust. I think the answer is a little bit of both.

Anyone have any other thoughts?




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zombieslayer
12 years ago
Greg Jennings: Elite as a Green Bay Packer. Would be elite on the Patriots. Wouldn't be elite on most of the other 30 teams.
Randall Cobb: Is gonna be one heck of a WR. Playmaker. Still wet behind the ears.
Donald Driver: Is playing his last year. He'll get 5 TDs this year as our #4 WR
Jordy Nelson: Is elite as a #2 WR. Not sure if he'll be elite as a #1 or not.
James Jones: He's wearing thin on me too
Finley: Overrated is an understatement

So as a group, yes, they're elite. Separately, no.

I still want to see what Boykin can do.
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12 years ago
I wonder if there's something about the way Aaron throws the ball.

It's not just one guy having problems his passes.
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12 years ago
I tend to agree with the assessments, just 2 quick added thoughts.

James Jones - I thought this guy would be a beast a few years back, now I just expect him to drop or fumble it if it goes his way. His SB drop was the last straw for me.

Finley - He can't seem to do anything after the catch, and I don't know where the hell his hands went since the AZ playoff game.
tromadz
12 years ago

I wonder if there's something about the way Aaron throws the ball.

It's not just one guy having problems his passes.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Right. Our QB is too awesome at throwing the ball.

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zombieslayer
12 years ago

Right. Our QB is too awesome at throwing the ball.

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Originally Posted by: tromadz 



Well, the problem with Aaron is he keeps hitting receivers in the hands. Maybe he should aim at their nads. Maybe then, they'd catch the ball.
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12 years ago
Yes, excluding Jones. He is awful and needs to go away. Cant believe how many drops he has.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago
Elite starters, as in Jennings and Nelson, yes.
Elite set of WR, as in the whole 5 or 6, no.
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12 years ago
I think the Packers WR group clearly has good depth but they're not elite. IMO only Jennings and Nelson are on that starter level IMO. Jennings is on that edge of elite, where he can be. Cobb might be AFTER the ball is in his hands, but has a lot of work to do with routes and getting open against starting CBs. Nelson is very very very good at everything, but might not be great at any one thing.


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12 years ago
As hard as AR throws, i can understand some drops. It still amazes me how fast that ball comes out when he decides where to throw it.
Jones makes some tough catches, but seems to drop more of the "easy" ones.
Also, it seems this year AR's timing has been a bit off. If he gets that back, i think we will see more of last year's throws.
Also, the o-line hasn't been very good at pass protection so far. If that doesn't get better, i'm afraid that AR might get.....i'm not going to even say it.
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12 years ago
We don't have an elite receiver IMO. We do have an elite receiving corps. We are deep in very good and good receivers. If we ever get an elite receiver and maintain that depth it would be unreal how good the O could be. But that will be very hard to do because of the cap and keeping our core players. Also, we would have to be lucky to get one in the draft because, hopefully, our position is always late in the rounds.
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Stevetarded
12 years ago

Elite starters, as in Jennings and Nelson, yes.
Elite set of WR, as in the whole 5 or 6, no.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



As a group of 5 I can't think of any other teams set I would take over ours. I would consider that elite.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

As a group of 5 I can't think of any other teams set I would take over ours. I would consider that elite.

Originally Posted by: Stevetarded 



That doesn't make them an elite group, that makes them the best group in the NFL via your opinion.
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Stevetarded
12 years ago

That doesn't make them an elite group, that makes them the best group in the NFL via your opinion.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Well convince me of another team having a stronger set of 5 WRs. If they as a group are among the best in the NFL they are elite.
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blueleopard
12 years ago
We overrate them just a tad bit.

Aaron Rodgers is a careful thrower of the football who won't let his WRs get hurt when throwing. While that's smart, I believe that's his achilles heel.. Defenses know our strength is in our passing game, so they're just gonna keep playing more close zone and man-to-man. Unless Rodgers grows a pair and starts to fit more passes in small places, trusting his receivers more --- it'll be a long season offensively.
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12 years ago

We overrate them just a tad bit.

Aaron Rodgers is a careful thrower of the football who won't let his WRs get hurt when throwing. While that's smart, I believe that's his achilles heel.. Defenses know our strength is in our passing game, so they're just gonna keep playing more close zone and man-to-man. Unless Rodgers grows a pair and starts to fit more passes in small places, trusting his receivers more --- it'll be a long season offensively.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



Sorry, but I watched enough reckless football from 1999 through 2007, with no hardware put in the trophy case. I'll take the more conservative route and watch our offense run correctly. I just hope our young defense gets coached up quickly.
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12 years ago

Sorry, but I watched enough reckless football from 1999 through 2007, with no hardware put in the trophy case. I'll take the more conservative route and watch our offense run correctly. I just hope our young defense gets coached up quickly.

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zombieslayer
12 years ago

Sorry, but I watched enough reckless football from 1999 through 2007, with no hardware put in the trophy case. I'll take the more conservative route and watch our offense run correctly. I just hope our young defense gets coached up quickly.

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It was reckless because it had to be. In that time period, we had zero elite Ds and only twice in the top 10.

If a D can't make a stop, you gotta play to score on almost every drive. It's a team effort. If one side sucks, the other side has to compensate.

IF the rest of the season, the D looks like game 1, we're gonna have to be super aggressive. IF the rest of the season, the D looks like game 2, then we'll have the LUXURY of playing the conservative route.
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I think when talking about this subject, context would be important. Elite in the current league of today?

I would say we are in that company, ask yourself this, who else in the league can trot out a talent like Jones or Driver as their 4th or 5th option?

But if the context is are each of them elite independently... no I don't think so. I don't think one of them are an elite talent compares with Megatron, Andre Johnson, or Fitz.

Finley has all the tools to be elite in his role, in some respects he is, but has some work to do yet to get there. Drops being in the forefront.. but blocking as well. But few possess his ability to go inside and out and pose the issues he does.
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zombieslayer
12 years ago

I think when talking about this subject, context would be important. Elite in the current league of today?

I would say we are in that company, ask yourself this, who else in the league can trot out a talent like Jones or Driver as their 4th or 5th option?

But if the context is are each of them elite independently... no I don't think so. I don't think one of them are an elite talent compares with Megatron, Andre Johnson, or Fitz.

Finley has all the tools to be elite in his role, in some respects he is, but has some work to do yet to get there. Drops being in the forefront.. but blocking as well. But few possess his ability to go inside and out and pose the issues he does.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Yeah, that's what I was getting at.

Put our WR stack up against any other NFL team. Yes, Megatron > Gregorious. But then you go Megatron + Nate Burleson = Gregorious + Jordy. But then you go Megatron + Nate Burleson + Titus Young < Gregorious + Jordy + Jones or Driver. And when you get to the 4th level, I don't think there's any team that would be > than us.

Throw in TEs though and the Pats are arguably better than we are. Welker + Lloyd + Hernandez + Gronkowski is pretty close to Gregorious + Jordy + Jones or Driver + Finley. You could make cases either way.

So when you're arguing whether or not our stack is the #1 in the NFL, you got an elite stack.
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