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I don't see what other see in him as being worthy of taking the reins of this defense.

From what I see, I don't see talent developing under his watch here in Green Bay, it is arguable that AJ has actually regressed under his watch.

We have had several players flash talent early coming in, but have failed to growing into quality smart players. Coaches can't over come talent downfalls.. but quality coaches can teach players to become smart mentally sound football players.. can get them to elevate their games.

I don't see it with this group, and I think back to the Saints group he ran.. not anyone jumps off the pages as developing into an exceptional player there either..

In three seasons.. we still don't have a backer able to cover a TE effectively.. maybe Chillar.. but he was imported this season.

Winston was a smart classy football player.. but that doesn't always equate to being a quality football coach.

So maybe I am missing something on the guy and the job he has done here.. so I would like to hear from you.. why Moss?

Porky.. I especially am looking forward to your take on this..


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Winston Moss
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Entering his 20th season in the National Football League and third with the Packers, Winston Moss begins his second year in the role of assistant head coach/defense in 2008.

Named to the current post by Head Coach Mike McCarthy on Jan. 15, 2007, Moss continues to coach the linebackers as well, his original position upon joining the Packers in 2006.

In his role, the 42-year-old Moss is McCarthy's assistant in regards to concepts critical to winning. A natural leader, Moss uses the same philosophies he learned during an 11-year career as an NFL linebacker. His leadership skills impressed McCarthy when the two worked together for five seasons in New Orleans and again in 2006 in Green Bay.

Last season, Moss helped veteran Nick Barnett continue his progression from steady performer to true team leader with a Pro Bowl-caliber year. Barnett was named second-team All-Pro after leading the Packers in tackles for the fourth time in five seasons and posting a career-high 3 1/2 sacks along with two interceptions and numerous big plays late in games.

Moss continues to develop the talented A.J. Hawk, who earned All-Rookie honors in 2006 and led the team with 155 tackles. In addition, he oversees the maturation of Brady Poppinga through his conversion from a college defensive end into a solid linebacker.

This year, free-agent signee Brandon Chillar and the mix of Tracy White, Desmond Bishop and Abdul Hodge give Moss the most depth he's had to work with at the position.

Moss spent six seasons total with the Saints, where he also coached linebackers. There he worked closely with longtime NFL assistant Rick Venturi and former head coach and current defensive coordinator of the St. Louis Rams, Jim Haslett.

Originally hired by the Saints in 2000 as defensive assistant/quality control, he was promoted to linebackers coach near the end of that season to replace John Bunting, who departed to become head coach at the University of North Carolina.

Moss began his coaching career in 1998 as a defensive quality control assistant for the Seattle Seahawks, the club where he played his final NFL season.

A veteran of 155 NFL games (146 starts), the former linebacker played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1987-90) and the Los Angeles Raiders (1991-94), in addition to the Seahawks (1995-97). Over the course of his career, Moss recorded 768 tackles, 20.5 sacks and six interceptions, and recovered one fumble for a TD.

In 1993, when he led the Raiders in tackles on a team that advanced to the AFC Divisional playoffs, he earned the Ed Block Courage Award after a vote of his teammates. Moss also was a three-time defensive captain and received the 1996 NFL Players' Association Unsung Hero Award while with the Seahawks.

A four-time letterman at the University of Miami (Fla.), he and current Packers scout Alonzo Highsmith helped the Hurricanes to the national championship after the 1983 season under Howard Schnellenberger.

As a prep, Moss attended Miami (Fla.) Southridge High School and was an all-state linebacker.

Born in Miami, Fla., Winston and his wife, Zoila, have three sons, Winston Jr., 14, Robert, 9, and Marcus, 6, and two daughters, Victoria, 13, and infant Isabella. In his spare time, Moss enjoys spending time with his family and playing golf.

MOSS AT A GLANCE

* Joined Packers Jan. 19, 2006, as linebackers coach and was named assistant head coach/linebackers on Jan. 15, 2007.
* A standout NFL linebacker for 11 years, played 155 games (146 starts) with three clubs: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1987-90), Los Angeles Raiders (1991-94) and Seattle Seahawks (1995-97).
* Selected by Tampa Bay as the second of two second-round picks in the 1987 draft, shortly after the Bucs took college teammate Vinny Testaverde No. 1 overall.
* Played with Lionel Washington, now Packers defensive nickel/cornerbacks coach, for four seasons with the Raiders.
* Lettered four years at the University of Miami (Fla.).

COACHING BACKGROUND:

Year College/Pro Team Position Coached
1998 Seattle Seahawks Defensive Quality Control
2000 New Orleans Saints Def. Assistant/Quality Control
2000-05 New Orleans Saints Linebackers
2006 Green Bay Packers Linebackers
2007-08 Green Bay Packers Asst. Head Coach/Linebackers

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millertime
16 years ago
its hard to give anyone on our defensive staff any props this season.

one name comes to mind....

KURT SCHOTTENHEIMER!

the man we have all hated for such a long time has finally come through. kind of ironic.
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Still not a big Schottenheimer fan.. but agreed.

Want another name..

Washington.. easily.. look at the progress of Williams and Blackmon to a point.. it is hard to develop full press corners in this league.. Williams is quickly becoming a quality one.
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I more so attribute the struggles of A.J. Hawk to being injured and out of position this year. I really believe once moved back to his natural positions he's going to be a big time player. Much like Nick Collins developed in his fourth season, I expect Hawk to do so as well once utilized properly. Of course it all depends on what's around him too.

The linebackers are a talented group of players suffering because of the defensive lineman in front of them. Chances are if your tackles are getting lit up like Green Bay's are, your linebackers aren't going to fare much better because teams are able to put a guard or a tackle on a backer. That's not how a defensive scheme is meant to be. You don't want the tackles running free to get a hand on your backers. I've seen that more this year.

Last year, Nick Barnett had a Pro Bowl year and by far his best season of his career under the watch of Winston Moss. The biggest difference from last year to this year is the play of the Packers defensive line which I attribute to the lackluster coaching of Bob Sanders. Ray Lewis thrives because of the play of Haloti Ngata. Brian Urlacher does because of the play of Tommie Harris. Jon Beason a similar player to Barnett is thriving in Carolina because Carolina's tackles are doing an above average job. Yet, Green Bay's tackles have been below average. They're not even average.

Some people believe in gutting the linebackers as well and finding a new MLB and SLB. I'm not one of them. I think it's the defensive line and I think if you fix that, the defense as a whole is better.

The only way to fix that is bring in good players. I like Colin Cole, but I believe Green Bay needs an impact tackle. Whether it be Albert Haynesworth or Tyson Jackson via the NFL draft. You force teams team have to put a man or two on your tackle and you'll open things up for the linebackers to make plays. That's what those two guys are capable of. Pickett and Jolly aren't and they're soft or have played soft this year.

I also believe the Packers need an aggressive defensive coordinator. Winston Moss, I believe would be that. Not just because of his playing days, but also the way the Packers linebackers play. They're anything but a laid back bunch. I actually think they're a little to aggressive at times, but I rather have a team that is to aggressive than a team that is to laid back. Bob Sanders has made the Packers into a laid back team with lack of creativity. Moss whom I believe will be an NFL Head Coach one day just is the opposite of that.

Though if they really want to shake things up. Mike Singletary was on the 49ers staff with Mike McCarthy once upon a time. If the 49ers don't hang onto Singletary as the Head Coach, perhaps Mike McCarthy will look into bringing him into the fold. An old Bear coaching the Packers. That would be interesting.

EDIT: I also like Lionel Washington too.
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16 years ago
BRING A PROVEN DC....LIKE CRENNEL OR ANYONE CAPABLE OF TURN THIS AWFUL DEFENSE IN SOMETHING RESPECTABLE....
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Porky.. I will buy a little into the Dline compounding the Backers problems..

So you are going to credit Barnett's year last year to Moss.. Barnett finally got noticed because yes the Tackles kept him clean, so more of his tackles were near the LOS than downfield.. but Barnett still plays the same way as before Moss arrived.. unable to get off a block, over pursues and tackles high.. but that is splitting hairs..

Hawk.. I am not buying that he is developing currently.. I watched that group primarily yesterday.. the linebackers sat back and didn't attack.. until all they could do was turn and run the play down.. Hawk was by far the slowest to react to the play..

Poppinga is marginal at best.. hasn't taken advantage of his skills yet.. hence.. the misread on the Leach play late as an example.. he read run and released Leach out to an open zone.. it wasn't even that good of a play fake.. mental error.

Bishop and Hodge.. I give a pass on Hodge and injuries.. but both of these kids flashed natural talent from the get go.. neither has made strides in their game.

White.. White is a special teamer.. nothing more.

My point is this.. we have talent at the position no doubt, but watching these guys that are in their third year of this season.. there is coaching issues within this group.. they have more talent than this... at least they flash it.

I don't see the progression of that group.. granted the line hasn't helped them this year, but they make far to many errors in coverage and poor techniques in tackling for me to give a thumbs up to Moss as a position coach.
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16 years ago

I more so attribute the struggles of A.J. Hawk to being injured and out of position this year. I really believe once moved back to his natural positions he's going to be a big time player. Much like Nick Collins developed in his fourth season, I expect Hawk to do so as well once utilized properly. Of course it all depends on what's around him too.

The linebackers are a talented group of players suffering because of the defensive lineman in front of them. Chances are if your tackles are getting lit up like Green Bay's are, your linebackers aren't going to fare much better because teams are able to put a guard or a tackle on a backer. That's not how a defensive scheme is meant to be. You don't want the tackles running free to get a hand on your backers. I've seen that more this year.

Last year, Nick Barnett had a Pro Bowl year and by far his best season of his career under the watch of Winston Moss. The biggest difference from last year to this year is the play of the Packers defensive line which I attribute to the lackluster coaching of Bob Sanders. Ray Lewis thrives because of the play of Haloti Ngata. Brian Urlacher does because of the play of Tommie Harris. Jon Beason a similar player to Barnett is thriving in Carolina because Carolina's tackles are doing an above average job. Yet, Green Bay's tackles have been below average. They're not even average.

Some people believe in gutting the linebackers as well and finding a new MLB and SLB. I'm not one of them. I think it's the defensive line and I think if you fix that, the defense as a whole is better.

The only way to fix that is bring in good players. I like Colin Cole, but I believe Green Bay needs an impact tackle. Whether it be Albert Haynesworth or Tyson Jackson via the NFL draft. You force teams team have to put a man or two on your tackle and you'll open things up for the linebackers to make plays. That's what those two guys are capable of. Pickett and Jolly aren't and they're soft or have played soft this year.

I also believe the Packers need an aggressive defensive coordinator. Winston Moss, I believe would be that. Not just because of his playing days, but also the way the Packers linebackers play. They're anything but a laid back bunch. I actually think they're a little to aggressive at times, but I rather have a team that is to aggressive than a team that is to laid back. Bob Sanders has made the Packers into a laid back team with lack of creativity. Moss whom I believe will be an NFL Head Coach one day just is the opposite of that.

Though if they really want to shake things up. Mike Singletary was on the 49ers staff with Mike McCarthy once upon a time. If the 49ers don't hang onto Singletary as the Head Coach, perhaps Mike McCarthy will look into bringing him into the fold. An old Bear coaching the Packers. That would be interesting.

EDIT: I also like Lionel Washington too.

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+1 to you, sir. I would personally prefer to really shake things up (Singletary if San Fran doesn't keep him, Marvin Lewis if he gets the axe in Cinci? Yes, I just may be crazy), but Moss certainly has the right attitude, and I can't agree more with your assessment as far as Sanders goes. Even when they were looking good last year, the lack of aggressiveness held them back.

I guess my main concern is whether or not Moss has an overall defensive scheme or is able of concocting/implementing one. I'm not at all saying he doesn't; I just don't know that he does or what it is.

I also wholeheartedly agree with you in terms of the personnel -- the real problem area is D-line. We could definitely use one proven stud (I'd take either Haynesworth or Peppers if either scenario were possible) and a youngster with real ability there. The linebackers are fine if they aren't asked to be superhuman on every down. With the addition of Chillar, we've got the guy to make up for Popp's deficiencies in the passing game. Our secondary, once healthy, is looking to be in good shape, with Williams, Lee and Blackmon learning behind Woody and Al and 3 guys I'm quite happy with @ safety. Add some real quality on the D line and we're loaded on D, as long as we've got someone to put all that talent to good use.

We need a whole new identity on D, and I think it needs to be aggressive and nasty. If Moss can make that happen, awesome -- if not, I think it's in Ted's and Mike's best interest to go out and get the guy who can do it, and then get the hell out of his way. As others have said, I think they're going to have to turn this around next year -- fair or not, the Favre situation never helped them, and even though that's about the last thing a rational person would point to as the cause of this disappointing season, it is in fact a disappointing season and when you combine that with the preceding offseason, they need to right the ship quickly, IMO.
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Tano,

Crennel is a 3-4 coach. Bringing him in would mean a huge overhaul of the defense. I'm not sure that's a direction Thompson and McCarthy can afford to take considering their jobs could be on the line next year.

Pack,

Last year Nick Barnett was more disciplined. I have several games on tape and I recall watching Barnett and thinking he looked like a different player. He looked as good as Brian Urlacher. This year he did revert back to his old bad habits of tackling high and over pursuing like you state and whether or not that has to do with the coaching of Winston Moss or Barnett trying to do to much because he's trying to pickup the slack around him is pure speculation.

I personally think he's trying to much.

Hawk is going to have to make the progress in his fourth season similar to that of Nick Collins has done in this year. That's why I think he should go on IR and start working towards 2009.

I believe Bishop made his first career start against Houston and I was very impressed. I recall he forced a fumble and he made a huge 3rd and 1 stop. I even think he lead the team in tackles. I liked what I saw. One of the few bright spots.

Regardless of who it should be, I think we can all agree Bob Sanders isn't the right man for the job.
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Regardless of who it should be, I think we can all agree Bob Sanders isn't the right man for the job.

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Agreed...

Personally for the remainder of the season.. Bishop should be manning the middle... he plays downhill like a run stopper should..
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16 years ago
I think we have the players to be a 3-4 team.

Jenkins and Kampy at DE, Pickett and COle at NT.

LB's Poppinga (rush guy), Barnett ILB, Bishop ILB or Hawk, Hawk OLB or Chillar.

if we dump Sanders (please let it happen!) We will have a Philosophical change anyways. I think we have players to make the 3-4 practical.
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Personally for the remainder of the season.. Bishop should be manning the middle... he plays downhill like a run stopper should..

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If you don't mind giving up 300+ passing yards across the middle of the field then sure Bishop should start in the middle.
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Personally for the remainder of the season.. Bishop should be manning the middle... he plays downhill like a run stopper should..

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If you don't mind giving up 300+ passing yards across the middle of the field then sure Bishop should start in the middle.

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LOL... I thought we talked about that.. adjustments to the scheme.. oh wait, your right.. that doesn't happen mid game on defense for the Packers..

You know.. he can play defense and be protected in the coverages.. well he could.
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all_about_da_packers
16 years ago

The biggest difference from last year to this year is the play of the Packers defensive line which I attribute to the lackluster coaching of Bob Sanders.

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I think that's really being too simplistic.

For starters, shouldn't the DE and DT coaches be given some of the blame for the bad d-line, if you take issue with the coaching? It's interesting to note that a Press Gazette beat writer said D-line coach Robert Nunn was the smartest coach on the team, someone really bright.

If we give that statement even a little bit of merit, that is to say we accept Robert Nunn is a good coach, then why has the position he's been responsible for so terrible?


And this relates to my issue with blaming Sanders: the talent simply isn't there. Are we to believe that Steve Spagnolo is some sort of prodigy genius that has dealt with losing Osi and Strahan because he has been very creative? Or can Spagnolo's success despite losing the two best pass rushers be attributed to having two great pass rushers in Kiwanuka and Tuck to help fill the void, while adding some nuances to further make up for the loss of Osi and Strahan?

I'm not saying talent is the be all and end all, but it's unfair to sour on a coach that only 8 months ago was in charge of one of the better Defence's of the league, and acknowledged by a good coach like Jim Bates as being a good choice for DC.
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all_about_da_packers
16 years ago
Sorry porky, got one more bit to add:

Bob Sanders has made the Packers into a laid back team with lack of creativity.

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I take issue with that statement.

1) Sanders has blitzed more this year than in past years.

2) Sanders installed a 2-4 package this off-season, attempting to utilize one of our (supposed) deepest positions, that being LB.

3) Sanders installed a 3-1-7 package that we saw vs. the Texans, something that is pretty creative.

4) Sanders has blizted more from the left side, trying to get 1 of 2 things to happen:

(A) The blizter coming from the left is the side Kampman plays on. Kampman is double teamed quite a bit. So if Kampman is being double teamed, there is a greater chance the blitzer can come through and create pressure / get a sack.

(B) The blizter forces one of the two blockers on Kampman to leave Kampan in an effort to pick up the blitzing player. Thus, Kampman is left one-on-one. That's the thing you want to see, especially with your best pass rusher.


The problem is that there has been no rush from the right side or the middle. Our DTs in passing situations are Cole/Jolly at one spot, and Harrell at another. That's pathetic, considering Harrell's forte was being a 'run stuffer'. Quite honestly, how much can you expect Jolly to do seeing as he is playing 40-45 snaps a game?

Then there is the RE spot. We've tried: Montgomery, Hunter, Pettaway, and Thompson. Not a rusher amongst them. KGB's loss hurt real bad, and Jenkins loss was even worse. If you had to risk your life on the RE getting a rush, which one of the players would you choose from Montgomery/Hunter/Pettaway/Thompson? There really isn't one adapt at rushing in the group.

How on earth can Sanders be the only problem when 1) He's tried different things, things that are anything but "vanilla," and 2) he's got nothing to work with in terms of quality D-linemen?

In an article by Bob McGinn earlier this year, a scout rated the Packers D-line. I'd be real interested in re-reading that article, if I'm not mistaken after Kampman the scout was unimpressed with much of our D-line. He thought Thompson had potential though.

Disclaimer: Please don't think I'm saying Bob Sanders is the right man for the job. All I'm saying is that simply firing Bob Sanders is not going to fix the problem completely.
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DarkaneRules
16 years ago
Right now I say Sanders gets one more year. This has been frustrating to watch, but last year the defense was pretty darn good. Let's wait a little bit before we ask for his head.
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16 years ago
Last year the defense was pretty darn good because pretty much nobody got hurt.

We lost Cullen Jenkins (who is essentially two players) and Nick Barnett for the season. KGB didn't pan out, Atari Bigby didn't make the same impact, and Al Harris didn't play for a bit.

I think Bob Sanders has to go, because he doesn't inspire the defensive to have any kind of fire. But I still like our system that relies on our press coverage. It's just that we need defensive linemen, and lots of them.
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Sorry porky, got one more bit to add:

Bob Sanders has made the Packers into a laid back team with lack of creativity.

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I take issue with that statement.

1) Sanders has blitzed more this year than in past years.

2) Sanders installed a 2-4 package this off-season, attempting to utilize one of our (supposed) deepest positions, that being LB.

3) Sanders installed a 3-1-7 package that we saw vs. the Texans, something that is pretty creative.

4) Sanders has blizted more from the left side, trying to get 1 of 2 things to happen:

(A) The blizter coming from the left is the side Kampman plays on. Kampman is double teamed quite a bit. So if Kampman is being double teamed, there is a greater chance the blitzer can come through and create pressure / get a sack.

(B) The blizter forces one of the two blockers on Kampman to leave Kampan in an effort to pick up the blitzing player. Thus, Kampman is left one-on-one. That's the thing you want to see, especially with your best pass rusher.


The problem is that there has been no rush from the right side or the middle. Our DTs in passing situations are Cole/Jolly at one spot, and Harrell at another. That's pathetic, considering Harrell's forte was being a 'run stuffer'. Quite honestly, how much can you expect Jolly to do seeing as he is playing 40-45 snaps a game?

Then there is the RE spot. We've tried: Montgomery, Hunter, Pettaway, and Thompson. Not a rusher amongst them. KGB's loss hurt real bad, and Jenkins loss was even worse. If you had to risk your life on the RE getting a rush, which one of the players would you choose from Montgomery/Hunter/Pettaway/Thompson? There really isn't one adapt at rushing in the group.

How on earth can Sanders be the only problem when 1) He's tried different things, things that are anything but "vanilla," and 2) he's got nothing to work with in terms of quality D-linemen?

In an article by Bob McGinn earlier this year, a scout rated the Packers D-line. I'd be real interested in re-reading that article, if I'm not mistaken after Kampman the scout was unimpressed with much of our D-line. He thought Thompson had potential though.

Disclaimer: Please don't think I'm saying Bob Sanders is the right man for the job. All I'm saying is that simply firing Bob Sanders is not going to fix the problem completely.

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I never suggested that firing Sanders would fix everything, but the Packers need to start somewhere. That's where I would start.

As I said in my wish list post, I think the Packers need to add a stout defensive tackle and a pass rusher via draft and free agency to fix the problem entirely.

Tampa Bay, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore. Those are creative defenses. They utilize all their players in every single way possible. They set things up and put players in position to succeed.

There is more to being creative than throwing out a 4-4 defense or a 3-4 or a 4-3 or a 2-4-5.

The Packers use blitzes that I can spot from watching TV. You have the MLB going right up and through the center. The other two linebackers going outside of the DE's. Sanders also sends a the corner blitz every now and then. Those are his basic blitz packages. Like you say he's trying two things with them. Free up Kampman or get a clean shot at the QB. That's not being creative. That's being repetitive.

The Packers need a more aggressive coach. One that isn't afraid to send a safety up the middle. One that isn't afraid to use a crash right blitz or left where they send the middle and right linebackers towards the DE and DT gap and drop the DE in a zone coverage or flat coverage.

I haven't seen one blitz this year where Sanders sent all his linebackers. How about sending a backer and a safety? A backer and corner?

It might sound to aggressive just reading, but at the right moment these are the types of things you can use.

Regarding Nunn,

Bob Sanders is a former defensive line coach and I would suggest that he probably has a lot of say with how the defensive lineman are coached. Not to say that Robert Nunn doesn't, but I would say Sanders runs things with the front seven. Much like Mike McCarthy runs the QB's. This is Sanders defense line. Make no mistake about it.

Regarding Winston Moss,

Today on the radio Harry Sydney and Chris Havel whom really tore into the team spoke very highly of Winston Moss and suggested that he also be promoted. He credited Moss with being a more aggressive coach and stated the Packers need to be more creative. Like he took the words right out of my mouth. Now he could be wrong about Moss. So could I, but I think it's clear from everything that has been gathered about Moss is that he's an aggressive coach. Far more than Bob Sanders and that's what the Packers need right now.

Even though the defense was good last year, I do recall seeing the pass rush wear down near the end of the season. I think most of us including myself thought it was just injuries to the defensive tackles and guys like Kampman and KGB just getting tired. Well maybe that's when it all started because Eli had time to throw in the Giant game.
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I would feel a ton better about Moss if our Linebackers would have preformed better over the past two seasons.. Last year there was little issue with the Line and the Backers were still the weak link.. this year, the case could be made that the Backers were part of the problem more so than curtailing it.

Maybe I expect more out of this group overall and am being too harsh... but other than Barnett last year.. the backers have been disappointing overall. Hawk was solid last year.. but this year... solid might be a bit much.. steady maybe. :lol:

If Moss is promoted, I hope I am way off base.
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Right now I say Sanders gets one more year. This has been frustrating to watch, but last year the defense was pretty darn good. Let's wait a little bit before we ask for his head.

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Why, did we keep Bob Slowik around for one more year? Because what I a have been watching for the last three weeks is just as bad. Yeah, Cullen Jenkins got injured and so two is Barnett. What's the excuse next year when a guy or two go down? Let's face it, when we go against average to good offenses, we are overmatched and have been for quite some time. Last year was the exception, but I believe our strength of schedule had a big part in that.

No the correct move is to replace the DC because of the product on the field. This isn't a charity league, it's the Not For Long league, and I think Mr. Sanders' time is up in Green Bay.
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I said I'd weigh in on Porky's Christmas list, but that thread went south.

All fantastic input on this thread, imo.

OK, I've calmed down after the game, so that I am not emotional about who should be fired anymore.

Fire that pos Sanders. While he is packing his bags, get rid of Winston Moss, absolutely right behind his ass. I do not get how he can get so many props. I submit he is part of the problem, absolutely not part of the solution... look at his friggin' job description---"Develop defensive concepts critical to winning." How's THAT goin' Winston? He's administrative these days anyway. GTFO. Don't let the door hit you on the ass, etc.

If, by some miracle, this man does not get a head coaching job, we must cast every lure we have in an attempt to secure him... My new hero would be...

Jim Swartz--- Defensive Coordinator of the Tennessee Titans. It is POSSIBLE (though not terribly likely, I admit) that giving him asst. head coach/coordinator MIGHT lure him away... They run the 4-3 They do mostly bump and run... HAYNESWORTH LOVES HIM...

Singletary might pop free if he keeps popping off at the mouth.

If we decide to bust a 3-4 move....I'd say (God help us all) Wade Phillips

Jim Johnson from Philly.....


NEW BLOOD I SAY !!!!!

Also, I want to fire that loser Bill Miller....IMMEDIATELY.

He is the Plumber/Beverage Systems Technician for the Packers.

NO BEER and CLOGGED CRAPPERS for the fanbase... this will FORCE TT/MM to bust a MOVE(ment?)
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    dfosterf (26-Jun) : Fair enough, WPR. Thing is, I have been a long time advocate to at least have some inkling of the dynamics within the board.
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    Martha Careful (25-Jun) : I would have otherwise admirably served
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Also, no more provision for a write-in candidate, so Martha is off the table at least for this year
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : You do have to interpret the boring fine print, but all stockholders all see he is on the ballot
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : It also says he is subject to another ballot in 2028. I recall nothing of this nature with Murphy
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