porky88
12 years ago

The guy I could see taking over Woodsons current role if it were necessary is Jarrett Bush. As far as I can tell he's always been a pretty reliable and willing tackler and his coverage skills wouldn't be tested nearly as much as an outsider CB. He's got the right physical body type and size for it too. I believe they used him in that position to blitz quite a bit last year too.

Originally Posted by: Stevetarded 


Bush could bump Shields if Woodson stays at corner. I think the Packers pulled Shields against the Giants and put Bush in. I didn't notice this while at the game. I was too disgusted to focus, but I read or heard as much later. Someone may want to fact check me, though. Regardless, the Packers need multiple defensive backs to step up next year. Bush is among the candidates, though I could see him getting a shot to play safety, too.
Pack93z
12 years ago
I think the lockout last season had the biggest impact on then second year players.. guys coming off their first season as a pro. How to handle it.. how to stay sharp and focused on the next season.. and in the Packers case how to handle success.

Shields played so well as a rookie.. that I have a hard time thinking he will not regain that form.. especially when getting humbled last season with struggle.

IMO, I think being a pro player is almost more about what you do off the field than on it, guys coming into their first offseason as a pro and then being locked out.. it has to have an impact upon their development and carry over from the rookie season. Vets have been there before and could somewhat keep themselves on schedule. Incoming rookies are just anxious to get there.. that the lockout impacted them but not to the same degree as players coming off their rookie year.

Season is over.. what now and you haven't been there before.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

I’m going to roam a little bit. It’s different than corner. It’ll be fun to play more safety. It’ll play to my advantage.

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dhpackr
12 years ago
I find it scary Bush will be starting at rcb. He is a liability in man coverage. In my opinion, Shields will eventually beat out Bush for the starting cb position next to Williams. Shields is playing for his job right now and that tends to bring out the best in a individual. Sheilds has to much speed to just toss him aside. His problem was his toughness and ability to tackle. I feel Sam can overcome these obstacles and return to his starting role. Bush will be utilized on special teams.

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gbguy20
12 years ago

I find it scary Bush will be starting at rcb. He is a liability in man coverage. In my opinion, Shields will eventually beat out Bush for the starting cb position next to Williams. Shields is playing for his job right now and that tends to bring out the best in a individual. Sheilds has to much speed to just toss him aside. His problem was his toughness and ability to tackle. I feel Sam can overcome these obstacles and return to his starting role. Bush will be utilized on special teams.

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Originally Posted by: dhpackr 



heres part of a tweet from tom silverstein this morning:

CB Sam Shields had a horrible day, getting burned three times and getting pulled out of the dime in favor of Casey Hayward and Davon House.

ps. house has had 2 int's in camp already.
same with hayward
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steveishere
12 years ago
I don't care what Jarrett Bush did in 2010 or before that. The fact is that since the Superbowl he has been pretty good in coverage. Now that is with limited playing time so we have to wait and see what happens if he gets more snaps but I'm not so down on seeing him on the field as I would have been a few years ago. I'm not going to let things that he did before cloud my judgement of him now and IMO people shouldn't hold the past against the guy so much.
porky88
12 years ago
Bush just might be a slow developer. The Packers have spoiled us because so many young players contribute immediately. However, Bush's transition to the NFL has been a slow one. I’m just speculating (haven’t seen any practice), but he may just now be reaching the point where he can start. It took him six seasons, but his timing couldn’t be better, as Green Bay needs a couple of corners to step up.
nerdmann
12 years ago

Bush just might be a slow developer. The Packers have spoiled us because so many young players contribute immediately. However, Bush's transition to the NFL has been a slow one. I’m just speculating (haven’t seen any practice), but he may just now be reaching the point where he can start. It took him six seasons, but his timing couldn’t be better, as Green Bay needs a couple of corners to step up.

Originally Posted by: porky88 



Dunno, Bush is what he is. He's usually in position, but he just can't make a play on the ball. It's like Roland Mitchell 2.0.

Bush knows all the guys on the team and has practiced against them for years. He's Mr. August. I like him better in the slot, blitzing the QB and stuffing the run than on the outside covering man-up down the field.

If anyone supplants Shields, it's gonna be House or Heyward. But I still think Shields is gonna bounce back from this.
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DakotaT
12 years ago
I love Bush. That pick in the Super Bowl was for all the dipshits that picked on him unmercifully - including myself. But, he is not starting material. He is our special teams ace that has the ability to fill in for an injured player anywhere in the secondary, and that is the role he should relish. Bush is just not starting material in this league, but he is a valuable player for the Packers, and I hope he always knows his role.

I want House and Heyward to step up and take the starting and nickel roles and push Shields back to dime. They have the pedigree of the high draft picks. We've had a lot of busts in the second and third rounds at corner - and I'm hoping the H boys change that for us.

And I like Wood at safety. He is a cerebral player, and very much needed calling out the defense. Using the Nick Collins injury as a reason to move there is a great way for an aging player to salvage pride with declining physical skills. In the meantime; Jennings, Levine, and McMillian can battle to be the next guy to step up.
nerdmann
12 years ago
Bush got that INT in the Superbowl filling in for Woody at the slot position.

Right now he's lined up on the outside. I don't think that fits him as well.
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