nerdmann
12 years ago

Except that depending on when the other team signed him, it is possible the Packers would have to pay the entirety of his cap hit, while the other team would get him essentially for free. You don't know when the other team would come calling. Other teams might well hang back until the Packers were forced to bear the brunt of the contract. These matters aren't as simple as they seem up front.

As Seifert says, you guys are getting greedy. If the Packers wanted to get something out of Flynn, they probably would have had to have signed him earlier this year. They are playing out the line knowing full well they will get little to nothing for him. That's just their way of doing business. If they weren't convinced Harrell could come in and do an adequate job as a backup, they might have acted differently.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


If that happened, it would just decrease the level of the pick we'd be willing to take. Teams will want Flynn. Maybe we could include something in the wording of the contract to account for the trade.
In fact, we could always negotiate a contract, THEN trade him without even tagging him. Just let him know we're willing to give him a good deal, then whatever team trades for him will do so knowing the contract is in place.
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GermanGilbert
12 years ago

Read that carefully: If for whatever reason another team chose not to take a flier on the franchise-tagged Flynn, that money could become guaranteed. Between Rodgers and Flynn, that would be a gigantic cap hit in a year in which other Packers players are going to need to be paid. I find it doubtful that Thompson will take that risk.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Section 2 IMO states, that the money only will be guaranteed, if the player signs the tender. I don't think that's the intention of Matt Flynn. Additionally, according to section 2d it seems you can remove the tag at any time and the player becomes a UFA. That IMO means, that the Packers can franchise Flynn, try to get a trade done, and if it doesn't work out, remove the tender if they want. That would minimize the risk to the scenario, that Flynn surprisingly sign the tender.
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12 years ago

Except that depending on when the other team signed him, it is possible the Packers would have to pay the entirety of his cap hit, while the other team would get him essentially for free. You don't know when the other team would come calling. Other teams might well hang back until the Packers were forced to bear the brunt of the contract. These matters aren't as simple as they seem up front.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I don't think that's correct. Just because he'd be guaranteed the $14 mil doesn't mean the Packers would be on the hook for it even after a trade. It just means whoever has him on their roster would have to pay it. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be on the Packers to pay him unless he actually stays on the roster. It might make a temporary issue before he's traded that they have to stay under the cap, but that would only be temporary.

As to anyone who thinks the $14 mil guaranteed would make him hard to trade, think about what teams have paid for guys like Stafford($42 mil basically guaranteed and a #1 overall pick), Bradford ($50 mil guaranteed and a #1 overall pick), Matt Cassell ($28 mil guaranteed and a second round pick for him and an old Mike Vrabel), Kevin Kolb ($20 mil guaranteed, a second round pick and a pro bowl CB).
Nonstopdrivel
12 years ago
Yes, they can remove the tag at any time, but they they cannot trade him until he signs the tender. That's the whole point.
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GermanGilbert
12 years ago

Yes, they can remove the tag at any time, but they they cannot trade him until he signs the tender. That's the whole point.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



But they can negotiate a deal with another team, even if he hasn't signed the tender, don't they? So they can agree to a deal with another team, Flynn signs the tender and gets traded. I don't see a problem with this, other than they agree to a deal with a team, that Flynn absolutely don't want to play for.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago
Rourke, enough with the damn generalizations!

I know he (probably) won't be a Packer in 2012. I'd just like to get something for him in return. Would it make sense for us (if he's willing) to sign him to a short-term starter-money contract? High enough that he wouldn't balk at it signing, but low enough that another team wouldn't balk at paying it?

Originally Posted by: Since69 



Matt Flynn will not get tagged and traded nor will he sign with the Packers. He's accomplished quite a bit for a backup. Why sign to be backup when you can make your own legacy?

There is absolutely no reason for Matt Flynn to continue on as the Packers backup.
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DoddPower
12 years ago
Flynn will not be tagged or signed to a new contract unless Ted Thompson already has a trade worked out. I read somewhere (Brandt?) that this is what happened with Cassel and it would be the same with Flynn if something could be worked out. That would nullify the monetary concerns associated with this scenario. Of course, the challenge then becomes actually working this type of trade out and that may or may not happen. It's not being "greedy" to try to make this work. Rather, it's doing everything possible to utilize the assets that have been developed and are at one's disposal. If a trade partner can't be found, then yes, he likely walks. I still hope the Ted Thompson does everything in his power to work something out, which we all know he will.

It shall be interesting to watch.
nerdmann
12 years ago

Flynn will not be tagged or signed to a new contract unless Ted Thompson already has a trade worked out. I read somewhere (Brandt?) that this is what happened with Cassel and it would be the same with Flynn if something could be worked out. That would nullify the monetary concerns associated with this scenario. Of course, the challenge then becomes actually working this type of trade out and that may or may not happen. It's not being "greedy" to try to make this work. Rather, it's doing everything possible to utilize the assets that have been developed and are at one's disposal. If a trade partner can't be found, then yes, he likely walks. I still hope the Ted Thompson does everything in his power to work something out, which we all know he will.

It shall be interesting to watch.

Originally Posted by: doddpower 


The only problem is that if we tag Flynn we have to ink Finley first. But we'll see how it all works out.
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dhazer
12 years ago
I seen someone brought up the Cassell deal. I want to point out that the Chiefs over paid big time but then again people seem to forget that the gm of the Chiefs was the GM of the Patriots the year before. Also people pretty much got to see a full season of Cassell instead of 2 games, that is a huge difference. I don't see a franchise tag going on Flynn, Ted Thompson don't work like that.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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dfosterf
12 years ago
Tagging Flynn= 14.5 million
Aaron Rodgers salary 2012= 8 million

The only way in hell they tag Flynn for a tag & trade is if Ted, Flynn, Aaron are physically sitting at a table at 1265 and make the guy running the team that's buying show up with cash cash and draft pick(s) in a suitcase prior to submitting it to the league. The compensatory pick is fine, and we burn no bridges by letting him walk as a grateful beneficiary of a class organization. Too many (bad) potential ramifications in trying to get cute with a tag & trade scenario. I keep trying to remind everyone, we are a simple folk come Wisconsin way, and this NY-style fancy-schmantzy-machination shit is for them, not us sodbustin' cow-farmer-types. 😳 😄
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