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13 years ago
It has been assumed to be a foregone conclusion for much of the season that A.R. would be the MVP. However, I'm starting to wonder if that's still the case. This isn't a criticism of him, knee jerk to the loss, or anything, just thoughts based on stats and records

Brees I think is the biggest challenger, and as of today's games...

DB 71.5% completion, 37:11 (TD:int), 4,780 yards, 105.9 rating (QBR as of last week, will increase)
AR 68.0% completion, 40:6 (TD:int), 4,360 yards, 123.3 rating (QBR as of last week, will decrease)

Brees has had some big games, and DB will likely break 1, possibly 2 NFL records with the yards and completion % this year. I still think the nod goes to Aaron, but I'm not so certain it's a done deal anymore.
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If Aaron Rodgers doesn't win the MVP, then something is very wrong with the voting process. Drew Brees is playing well, but Rodgers is having one of the greatest single seasons in history. The yardage stat is overrated in today's NFL. Dan Marino's 5,000-plus yard season in the mid 80s is always going to be more impressive than 5,000 yards in today‘s NFL. I think most levelheaded voters will see it that way.
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13 years ago
It's not based just on stats, arguably Packers have the better "team", so, I don't agree with it necessarily, but that will weight on the voting as well. After last week, I thought it was unanimous Rodgers. Now, probably still Rodgers but Brees will get some votes. Brees is also having one of the best seasons ever for a QB.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

If Aaron Rodgers doesn't win the MVP, then something is very wrong with the voting process. Drew Brees is playing well, but Rodgers is having one of the greatest single seasons in history. The yardage stat is overrated in today's NFL. Dan Marino's 5,000-plus yard season in the mid 80s is always going to be more impressive than 5,000 yards in today‘s NFL. I think most levelheaded voters will see it that way.

Originally Posted by: porky88 


Rodgers rating this game is 80.1 so it will go down a bit.

Brees has had a couple that were worse this year. He had a 70.9 and a 73.0 rating. He also had an 82.7 on top of it.

Rodgers is having a lot of balls dropped lately. Hard to blame him for that.
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13 years ago


Rodgers is having a lot of balls dropped lately. Hard to blame him for that.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



I'm not even saying I blame Rodgers - he doesn't have the benefit of a dome, drops have been horrendous the last 3 weeks, etc. but post season awards can be decided on sentiments. Tebow's name gets thrown around on ESPN from time to time, Brees is gaining steam.

I didn't start this thread to bash or blame Rodgers, just I think the loss coupled with strong closes and record years by other players at least make the MVP race a conversation now, IMO.
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13 years ago

I'm not even saying I blame Rodgers - he doesn't have the benefit of a dome, drops have been horrendous the last 3 weeks, etc. but post season awards can be decided on sentiments. Tebow's name gets thrown around on ESPN from time to time, Brees is gaining steam.

I didn't start this thread to bash or blame Rodgers, just I think the loss coupled with strong closes and record years by other players at least make the MVP race a conversation now, IMO.

Originally Posted by: musccy 


A lot of the public votes are already in. People would have to stop voting for Rodgers and the voting for Brees would have to pick up.

I would expect the media and the players to understand the game a little better.
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13 years ago
This is too much of a reaction to one week. New Orleans doesn't play well outside of dome stadiums. I can't be the only person that sees this. The passing yardage record isn't a big deal. The Packers beat the Saints earlier in the year. The Saints may end up as the No. 3 seed in the NFC. There isn't enough there unless the Packers collapse and finish 13-3.

Brees would be lucky to get 10 out of 50 votes right now. Frankly, if Denver finishes 11-5, Tim Tebow may end up with more votes than Brees. Now that opens up a can of new worms. Rodgers will win it, though. This week was the exception to an outstanding season.
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13 years ago
Rodgers will probably win it, but to derail the thread, the Saints are playing much better football in the past couple of weeks. Brees is peaking. They almost have as many weapons as the Packers, and can get more pressure on the QB. Their defense has left a lot to be desired, but at least they get more pressure than the Packers. Either the Packers pick it up going into the playoffs, or it would not be surprising to see a loss to the Saints.
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RedSoxExcel
13 years ago

If Aaron Rodgers doesn't win the MVP, then something is very wrong with the voting process. Drew Brees is playing well, but Rodgers is having one of the greatest single seasons in history. The yardage stat is overrated in today's NFL. Dan Marino's 5,000-plus yard season in the mid 80s is always going to be more impressive than 5,000 yards in today‘s NFL. I think most levelheaded voters will see it that way.

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Same could be said about most QB statistics these days though. I still think QB rating is one of the most overrated statistics in all of sports, along the lines of Wins for a pitcher. I think Tony Romo is the #2 highest rated QB of all time, that should tell you enough about the QB rating. Yards is the most ridiculous though, I will give you that, 3,000 yards in a season is basically a given now.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
3000 yards in a season is less than 190 yards per game.
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CaliforniaCheez
13 years ago
[sarcasm: On]
[overreaction: On]

It's getting cold and so is Aaron Rodgers

Aaron Rodgers started the season well and at one time looked like a possible MVP candidate. But then the weather started cooling and so did Rodgers. The first warning sign was against the Buccaneers at Lambeau Field. Aaron Rodgers (at the time) had his 2nd worst passer rating in a game. The blind homers called it an anomaly. But his passer rating had dropped 33 points from his performance 2 weeks earlier.

The next outdoor game was at the Giants and Aaron Rodgers had, at the time, his worst game of the season. 52 degrees and a 9 mph wind; there was no denying his QB rating had dropped. Some falsely gave credit to the Giants but in reality Rodgers was continuing his downward spiral of declining performance, his passer rating getting worse and worse. Unfortunately his ability to play was to get much worse.

Then came the Raiders game and his being mentioned as an MVP candidate became doubtful. Outdoors at 42 degree Lambeau Field with a wind of 15 mph. His passer rating plummeted to below his rock bottom levels and down into double digits. Everyone knew if he didn't shape up the Packers season was in jeopardy.
34 points worse in passer rating than just 4 weeks earlier.

Finally in Arrowhead Stadium with 10 mph wind making the 50 degree temperature a wind chill of 46 degrees. Aaron Rodgers had nosedived to suckage numbers. He could not even complete 50% of his passes!! His QB rating for the game was 80.1. Barely above Tarvaris Jackson level (79.9).

No there is no question about Aaron Rodgers now sucking as an NFL QB and getting worse. Every game since 10/23/11 his QB rating has dropped further each game (except for the indoor game in Detroit where it rose nominally). His passer rating is dropping on average over 9 points a week.

Unless the Packers coaching staff can fix Rodgers and end this death spiral of declining poor performance, they will end up with a poor QB on the Blaine Gabbert level (65.6) by the time the playoffs start.

A real MVP would be able to turn his poor perfomance around. That train has left the station.

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Will Mike McCarthy make the switch to Matt Flynn in order to salvage the Packers season?
It depends on whether he thinks that Rodgers problems are correctable or not and what actions McCarthy takes to get him to attempt to improve.

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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
Drew Brees deserves MVP more than Aaron Rodgers. They both play better in domes and have their play drop during outdoor games in cold. Drew is doing more with a lot less.
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cheeseheads123
13 years ago

Drew Brees deserves MVP more than Aaron Rodgers. They both play better in domes and have their play drop during outdoor games in cold. Drew is doing more with a lot less.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


A lot less in terms of what?
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13 years ago

A lot less in terms of what?

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 


Fan base, coaching (HC has broken leg, hard for him to run routes), a TE that catches everything, oh they have a very good set of running backs!
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CaliforniaCheez
13 years ago
It would be nice if the Packers had a tight end that would catch half of everything.
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musccy
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13 years ago
I'm confused by your post calicheez because you use relevant facts that refute the sarcastic point you're trying to make.

I'm not saying that Rodgers has fallen off the deep end but his numbers, which are a reflection of myriad variables that do happen to include him, have trailed off the last month, there's no disputing that.

I don't think anyone here would argue against him being the best qb in the league, and likely the MVP, but his "less jaw dropping" numbers while others like Brady or Brees keep putting up big stats at least keep it from being a complete rubber stamped MVP competition, IMO.
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13 years ago
I got no clue what your deal is CaliforniaCheez but A-Rod's "death spiral" and him being Blaine Gabbert suddenly...I can't even comment on such asinine foolishness. All players play better in warmer weather. The ball is easier to handle and isn't like a frozen rock like in the cold. That said, Rodgers is as good in the cold as any other quarterback in the league. He will be the MVP and it is a lock though Drew Brees has had an incredible season. Both guys have had all-time years. The Packers will be fine come postseason time and they'll be playing at Lambeau. If we play the Saints, if anyone will be untested in the cold, it's Drew Brees. He gets to play in that nice dome way down south. We'll be ready for them.
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13 years ago
Sorry CaliforniaCheez. I didn't notice the sarcasm meter. I'm too used to posting in Yahoo.
dyeah_gb
13 years ago
I would say Rodgers has had 5 consecutive quarters of bad play. This also includes the WR issues of course. Drives have lost their machine -like efficiency down the field.


I want to see a good start on the first drive against the Bears. MM and AR should both recognize that the ball has to get out much faster now. If AR can show himself as the elite player that everyone has seen prior to the raiders game, MVP should be his.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
One positive that has come out of this whole situation is that PackerNation has come off its high horse. By that I mean, I think Packers fans of today are more realistic and reasonable. During the Favre era, the Packers' quarterback could do no wrong. No matter what happened, there was always an excuse, it was always someone else's fault. Now we as Packers fans can have level-headed discussions dissecting what goes wrong in a game without trying to cover for anyone. Most of all, I like that we can criticize our quarterback without rushing to make excuses for him. It's nice to be able to call him -- or anyone else on this team -- out for bad performance.

I hope we never see a personality cult in Green Bay again.
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